Improve deadlift by STOP DEADLIFTING

[DNL]

I was googling for why you can deadlift more than you squat and i ran across this article

http://www.strengthcats.com/nodeadlift.htm

I don't know if i am easily persuaded but that somehow made alot of sense. I remember taking 3 weeks off from deadlift and my lift went up close to 20lbs with close to perfect form. I thought i was somehow got much stronger. The thought of overtraining my lowerback never crossed my mind.

[RussianRocket]

it makes sense when you do too much of anything, you will suffer due to overtrainning.

[jack_of_all]

well, when i quit heavy dling (i was still deadlifting, but doing 8 reps a set) for a couple weeks 15 lbs fell off my max, so proceed w/ caution.


oddly enough i replaced my heavy dls w/ heavy powercleans, the website you linked would probably have advocated that change

if ive noticed anything about assistance excercises, ive yet to find one that helped me at all.

[jack_of_all]

to clarify, i think i have this problem because unlike the plers that westside and this stuff and everything else is made for im pulling just 300 off the floor, thats like half the weight that the article refers to as being too much to do on a regular basis. i think assistance excercises are most beneficial to the more elite lifter who can actually put up some big numbers, so imho, you dont need to train like a powerlifter until you get far enough in that the weight you put up relative to your bodyweight begins to look more like a powerlifter than a bodybuilder, in the lower levels i dont think gms would do **** for anyone.

also, what was it talking about when it said that it was hard to get the weight past the mid-point? my problem has always been getting i off the floor, and no amount of explosion off the floor has helped that, and it makes sense to me that it wouldnt either because the purpose of an explosion is to go THROUGH the sticking point with extra momentum that allows you to make it through, but i can go through the floor so me exploding just gives the extra load of inertia to deal with. anyone know why i have such a hard time breaking it from the floor?

[SW]

For the sake of not frying your CNS, it's good to take a week break every 2-3 months. Usually you come back a little stronger because your CNS has had time to recover and can now recruit as many muscle fibers as you're currently capable.

[mpi]

This is nothing new to those who train Westside. This fits into the philosophy of the "sum of the parts being greater than the whole" and working your weaknesses using assessory excercises.

[Doobs]

i think assistance excercises are most beneficial to the more elite lifter who can actually put up some big numbers, so imho, you dont need to train like a powerlifter until you get far enough in that the weight you put up relative to your bodyweight begins to look more like a powerlifter than a bodybuilder, in the lower levels i dont think gms would do **** for anyone.

what assistance lifts are you doing?

[jack_of_all]

none atm, but i have done various other bench presses to help bench (messed with grip, a few months back i did some inclines and such too, not that those are really asst exercises). ive done gms very briefly (i will admit i should have given these more of a chance) and did rdls for a pretty long time, all the while my dl gains didnt seem to be any different when i quit. im starting zercher squats soon. also, this article falsley claims that cleans are a good assistance lift, heavy cleans did nothing but hurt my dl max; of course i dont believe this is a false claim, but it doesnt work for ME PERSONALLY, so it might as well not work period if i want to get stronger with it. so ive quit doing cleans and now i dead more. guess what? im getting stronger, i broke out of an old rep range that ive been at for some time on dls. i dont think i have enough of a strength base yet that assistance lifts are necessary so with the exception of zerchers, im not doing any for at least 6 weeks. and in those 6 weeks im not doing conventional squats which could be stupid, people talk about all the T released from it, i noticed more fat and less muscle gain when i started squats, of course i was further into bulking so maybe it did help, but as a whole my entire lifting expierience has been dont listen to people, what works for one person may not help you at all. my bench stalled for 3 months because i thought my gains would be more optimial if instead of benching 2X weekly i took up speed benching to replace one bench session, that was the stupidest thing i have ever done lifting.

[Zygote]

this article falsley claims that cleans are a good assistance lift, heavy cleans did nothing but hurt my dl max.

I'm not saying your wrong so don't get yur back up but how could any exercise hurt performance except temporarily while you recover?

Zygote

[RussianRocket]

Cleans have improved my squats, deadlifts and probably shoulders.

[Brotherofiron]

i just got back into the gym after gettin seriously ill for about 2 weeks and busted out a new deadlift max of 425lbs, after a previous max of 415lbs...even after bein sick, losin weight, and not trainin for 2 weeks i still busted out a new max...its so F'in weird, its always been like this...i take time off and my deads go up and up...i wish i could say the same for my bench!!

[jack_of_all]

I'm not saying your wrong so don't get yur back up but how could any exercise hurt performance except temporarily while you recover?

Zygote

it was the fact that in that time i only did medium rep range dl's (8 reps) so i had no heavy dling in that time. i dont think i can handle both heavy dls AND cleans, and since i need the heavy dls i really have no choice. if i can ill bring back the cleans and do them in addition to the heavy dls but my form might suffer from wear down and cleans are not something you want to do wrong so for a little while at least i like things the way ive recently put them, i hope things work.

[body]

I noticed this from personal exeperience and incorporated this into my routine.

though not to the same as the article above.

[Sensei]

I like Kenny Kroxdale's writings, but I don't think that the no-deadlift deadlift program is for everyone.

IMHO, it's pretty easy to overtrain the deadlift, especially if you're not built for it. That doesn't mean that NOT deadlifting is necessarily the best thing for your deadlift - you just have to be more calculated in your deadlift training.

I think some beginners can get away with little direct DL work because, well, they're beginners... There will come a point in which they will need to work on their DL directly, if for no other reason than to master their technique.

I think the idea that Westsiders don't deadlift has just been blown WAY out of proportion. Take a look at some of the logs at elitefts.com and you'll see that they do quite a bit of DLing - not necessarily heavy, but they're getting quality DLs into their training.

[jack_of_all]

you know, ive heard an awful lot about how badass oly lifters end up being. i read an article about them outsprinting the average oly sprinter and out high jumping the average oly high jumper. this article talks about them being as strong as pro pl'ers too. man, i wish i had an oly coach lol.

[Sensei]

Ah yes,... the infamous Mexico City study in which OLers outperformed every other group in the vertical jump and 40yd dash... I've never, ever been able to find a proper citation of that study and I've had correspondence with others who have similar experiences. I think the study is probably just a myth to be honest with you.

If you ever find anything concrete about it (like names of researchers, witnesses, names of participants, etc.) PLEASE let me know!

[WBBIRL]

The idea is correct, but its on the same foundation as chains or bands or boards. Unless your that far into the iron game, you dont need to give your deadlift a full week inbetween direct DL work. Season pro's DLing 3x their body weight should probably do that, but the average Joe at under 2x doesn't need it. I only take off every 8 months or so, and I doubt I need any more.. im still green in the powerlifting game. And very few people on this board would need to think about things that article talks about.... there talkin about oly pro's, not neighborhood iron heads.