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training to failure - good or bad?
I've always thought that to gain muscle mass you had to do about 3 sets of 6-8 reps and reach muscle failure on every set. So I'd often lower the weight after each set to enable me to reach failure at the right time.. So my routine would consist of usually 4 exercises, 12 sets total, failure on every set. By failure I mean my muscles cant lift the weight anymore. I'm usually sore for many days after these routines.
Ok, so someone just told me you should never go to failure! It actually inhibits muscle growth! This cant be true can it? In my favorite movie, "Pumping Iron", they always lift till they are so tired they cant even move the weight. Isnt that the secret to success?
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What is so funny? My question was completely serious...
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So was the suggestion that you search the forums. Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
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I didnt see that suggestion, just a large picture of a protein supplement...
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this is actually an interesting question. I don't usually reach failure on every set, but usually by the last set of that paticular excercise my muscle is spent. I don't think it's good that you lower the weight so that you reach failure the next set, you should be moving up every set not down. Maybe you should start with a lower weight and move up or take longer rests in between each set.
heres a good one
http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...aining+failureLast edited by lifter4life; 09-30-2005 at 12:49 PM.
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the search box has been highlighted on pic.
its just that there are numerous threads that debate this subject every week. Just read a few and if any queries bump up a old thread.my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.
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Lifter4life I slightly disagree in that I believe you should stick with one weight for your sets. Why waste energy using the 80lb DBs when you could have used the 85's or 90's?
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I usually start with possibly the heaviest i can lift the that X amount of reps and keep the weight or move down in weight for the next set.
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I do a regular pyramid and go to failure on the last set every other week.
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I train like you suggested in your original post EC. However I don't do 12 sets. 6-8 for large muscle groups and 3-5 for smaller isolation lifts. Has worked well for me, check out my journal if your interested more specifically.
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"To get the most out of your training, you should train to failure in each set".- Arnold Schwwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding
By the way, I searched the forums for the word "failure" but found nothing... any hints as to what to search for?
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arnold is not the best role model for natural bodybuilders. Half the stuff in the encyclopedia are myths that have been proven wrong. Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
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http://www.wannabebigforums.com/sear...earchid=498529 there are over 2000 threads in the bodybuilding forum alone that have the wrod failure in. Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Do you know how to use a search engine?my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.
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Arnold was not an expert in physiology. Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
There is a place for training to failure in a training program.Squats work better than supplements.
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I always thought the more you lift the bigger you'l get, and keep it to around 6-10reps. So when your say on the bench and your about to hit rep number 10, you should find it hard and it would be impossible to hit 11 ' if u catch my drift '.
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there are different stage in faluire. Originally Posted by GMAN
eg postive faluire, negative faluire etc.my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.
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