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    Is cutting down to 9% Jordanbcool's Avatar
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    can i do it?

    can i get down from 13% bodyfat to 6% in 9 weeks?

    workout 4 days a week
    cardio (HIIT, morning jog, jump rope) 3 times a week
    eating about 2500 calories a day

    can it be done? is what i ask of thee....

    BTW im not taking any supplements except whey protein, and maybe creatine. I might consider some caffine pills but even then i doubt im going to take those.

    yes i will take the right amount of protein, fats, carbs etc. Im just wondering if this is even feasable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool
    can i get down from 13% bodyfat to 6% in 9 weeks?

    workout 4 days a week
    cardio (HIIT, morning jog, jump rope) 3 times a week
    eating about 2500 calories a day

    can it be done? is what i ask of thee....

    BTW im not taking any supplements except whey protein, and maybe creatine. I might consider some caffine pills but even then i doubt im going to take those.

    yes i will take the right amount of protein, fats, carbs etc. Im just wondering if this is even feasable...

    -jordan
    Anything is possible, but I am going to say that realisticly, it isn't going to happen. Fat seems to come off slower once you hit the 10% mark or so... But, who knows, it might be possible.

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    why is 6% the magic number?

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    Ill give you 2 weeks until you burn out and figure out that you arnt getting to 6% in 9 weeks, let alone 6 months.

    Ill also guess that around the same time you find out your not getting to 6% bf, you stop comming to this site

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    Quote Originally Posted by accuFLEX
    Ill give you 2 weeks until you burn out and figure out that you arnt getting to 6% in 9 weeks, let alone 6 months.

    Ill also guess that around the same time you find out your not getting to 6% bf, you stop comming to this site
    I'll take you up on that. I've been working out consistantly for the past 7 months now. Dieting (bulk diet mind you) for the past 3 months. If you have nothing positive to say or anything constructive for that matter keep it to yourself. It was a simple question and as i stated earlier i didnt expect to get down to that low a level. This is just the first time i've actually cut with such a small time frame. Last year i cut successfully and lost 30 pounds, and is why i got into weight lifting. However i did that over a span of 4 months, and this will only be two. Constructive critisism is what i was really looking for dude, not blatent flaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool
    can i get down from 13% bodyfat to 10% in 9 weeks?
    Yes.

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    maybe if you ud2.0 or psmfed for 9 weeks..................................
    I don't have time. I make time.

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    No. Unless you stopped eating now and sacrificed half the muscle on your frame...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool
    can i get down from 13% bodyfat to 6% in 9 weeks?

    workout 4 days a week
    cardio (HIIT, morning jog, jump rope) 3 times a week
    eating about 2500 calories a day

    can it be done? is what i ask of thee....

    BTW im not taking any supplements except whey protein, and maybe creatine. I might consider some caffine pills but even then i doubt im going to take those.

    yes i will take the right amount of protein, fats, carbs etc. Im just wondering if this is even feasable...

    -jordan
    6% is very close to pro bodybuilder levels. You will not get that low unless you go on a starvation diet, and then you would lose a lot of muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    6% is very close to pro bodybuilder levels. You will not get that low unless you go on a starvation diet, and then you would lose a lot of muscle.
    O ok, thats cool. I actually dont want to get THAT lean. I seriously thought pro body builders got into the 2%-3% range. Well does anyone know lee priest? The famous mr. olympia body builder. Im sure you guys know of him. Anyways, he diets for less then 14 weeks (not sure the exact date) and look at him. He is totally ripped. It is a dramatic body change in such a small amount of time. But maybe he takes supplements, or pretty much starves himself to get so low so quickly. Anyways has anyone seen American history X? You know edward norton in that movie??? I would like to get as lean as him, what percentage would you guys say hes at (anyone thats seen the movie mind you). Hes not ripped but he looks pretty damn good (im straight by the way i just marvel at how he changed his body so dramatically). Let me know ASAP so i can start now or wait a little bit later.

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    How long it will take you to drop a certain BF% depends on how much you weigh.

    Someone who is 300lbs looking to drop 6% has to lose 18lbs of fat, while someone who is 100lbs looking to drop 6% only has to lose 6lbs of fat.

    If you want to look ripped, put on some muscle first and then worry about cutting.
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    It's impossible to know the answer without the informaton Jorge asked for.
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez
    How long it will take you to drop a certain BF% depends on how much you weigh.

    Someone who is 300lbs looking to drop 6% has to lose 18lbs of fat, while someone who is 100lbs looking to drop 6% only has to lose 6lbs of fat.

    If you want to look ripped, put on some muscle first and then worry about cutting.
    I am in a bulking phase right now! Ok at the moment i weigh exactly 180, im 5"7. That sounds like alot for how high i am but when i tell people how much i weigh they usually fall over! Once someone told me i weigh 140 at the most! Anyways it was really flattering but when one of my best friends (that i havent seen in a while) told me i was skin and bones i decided to start putting on some weight again. That was like 2 weeks ago and im seeing pretty good progress. I really dont think i have much fat to lose, the only thing i have is a small stomach. So yea, im going off topic but i weigh 180. However i know i have a fat percentage above 10% cus i cant see my abs, but like i said i have a small stomach so 13% is a rough guesstimate.

    -jordan

    p.s. since i've been bulking i've added another blood vein on my right arm . it bulges when i curl, you all might not think thats a big deal but i do!
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    If someone guessed I weigh less than I do I wouldn`t take it as a compliment.

    But as for your question. You want to lose 7%BF (from 13 to 6%). 7% of 180 is 12.6lbs, so you need to lose about 2lbs of fat/week if you want to do it in 6 weeks. I really doubt you will be able to lose 2lbs of exclusively fat every week. And then there`s the loss of water weight and glycogen, so in reality your looking at losing more than 12.6lbs and probably closer to 20lbs in 6 weeks, which is going to be detrimental to your LBM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez
    If someone guessed I weigh less than I do I wouldn`t take it as a compliment.

    But as for your question. You want to lose 7%BF (from 13 to 6%). 7% of 180 is 12.6lbs, so you need to lose about 2lbs of fat/week if you want to do it in 6 weeks. I really doubt you will be able to lose 2lbs of exclusively fat every week. And then there`s the loss of water weight and glycogen, so in reality your looking at losing more than 12.6lbs and probably closer to 20lbs in 6 weeks, which is going to be detrimental to your LBM.
    My original figure was to be able to lose 10 pounds, i'd be happy with that. So yea, that sounds about right. Also i'll weigh a little bit more because im going to continue to bulk up for another two months (hence my two month dieting). Water weight comes off VERY easily, so i think i'll be fine. Worse comes to worse i'll have to diet an extra month.

    Hey i was happy when someone said that, i used to be huge. It also shows that, muscle really does weigh more then fat.

    EDIT* i have also noticed that even though i am gaining weight (about a pound a week) i have become more defined. Believe it or not but i can actually see my abs better then i ever could while dieting (the top row ONLY mind you)

    -jordan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool
    O ok, thats cool. I actually dont want to get THAT lean. I seriously thought pro body builders got into the 2%-3% range. Well does anyone know lee priest? The famous mr. olympia body builder. Im sure you guys know of him. Anyways, he diets for less then 14 weeks (not sure the exact date) and look at him. He is totally ripped. It is a dramatic body change in such a small amount of time. But maybe he takes supplements, or pretty much starves himself to get so low so quickly. Anyways has anyone seen American history X? You know edward norton in that movie??? I would like to get as lean as him, what percentage would you guys say hes at (anyone thats seen the movie mind you). Hes not ripped but he looks pretty damn good (im straight by the way i just marvel at how he changed his body so dramatically). Let me know ASAP so i can start now or wait a little bit later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HahnB
    Pro bodybuilders take a wide range of steroids, and many of the things they take are to help the body function at such a low body fat level. When you're at 4-5% body fat things stop working.
    I figured that much. Eh, o well maybe 9% body fat is a much better goal.

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    Yeah, we you get to 4% make sure you tell us about how you get sick very often, you can't get it up, are too tired to get out of bed, and your nemesis is now the dairy aisle.

    9% is a much better goal.

    IIRC, Edward Norton looks to be about ??10%?? in American History X?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brickt.
    Yeah, we you get to 4% make sure you tell us about how you get sick very often, you can't get it up, are too tired to get out of bed, and your nemesis is now the dairy aisle.

    9% is a much better goal.

    IIRC, Edward Norton looks to be about ??10%?? in American History X?
    I agree that a 9-10% is a much better goal.

    As for Edward Norton I'd estimate him to be about in the above range. But his physique's not that hard to achieve. If I lost about 25-30 lbs, I'd look just like him. So would a lot of posters on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtremeAnabolic
    I agree that a 9-10% is a much better goal.

    As for Edward Norton I'd estimate him to be about in the above range. But his physique's not that hard to achieve. If I lost about 25-30 lbs, I'd look just like him. So would a lot of posters on here.
    I dont know, to me he looked insane. Maybe its just the camera angles but i'd hate to get into a fight with him lol. But thanks for the new info, i didnt think 10% was that lean but i guess it is. I'll strive for that goal

    In my opinion he was the perfect combination of muscle and "lean-ness" (if thats even a word).

    Also hes my favorite actor

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    Well he looked insane for three main reasons.....1) He was in above average shape (as far as Im concerned) 2) He was a skinhead and 3) He had a f$%%$# nazi tattoo on his chest... It's funny you brought that movie up, I also would love to look like that he's not too big but hes still got that "dont mess with me" look. My sister bought me the movie for Christmas cause she knew I liked it so much kk /rant off
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGabe24
    Well he looked insane for three main reasons.....1) He was in above average shape (as far as Im concerned) 2) He was a skinhead and 3) He had a f$%%$# nazi tattoo on his chest... It's funny you brought that movie up, I also would love to look like that he's not too big but hes still got that "dont mess with me" look. My sister bought me the movie for Christmas cause she knew I liked it so much kk /rant off
    I mean come on, look at him in fight club. Hes pathetic, probably weighs likes 120 in that movie. Not in american history x! He is ripped......He has the whole six pack going on, the traps are bulging, the huge chest muscles, the biceps.......and yes the nazi tattoo and the shaved head contribute to it.

    did i mention thats also my favorite movie?

    that and rocky III

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    I stand by what has been said.

    Eddie was in above average shape in American History X, and did look rather good. However, his physique is very attainable. I'd take Zane anyday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool
    I dont know, to me he looked insane. Maybe its just the camera angles but i'd hate to get into a fight with him lol.
    I would say he's pretty short, and even though he had personal trainers and dieticians and probably roided to achieve his American History X body, I would bet I now could take him the way he was then, and I'm not a trained fighter nor very big. One thing to take into consideration is if you bulk clean and slow the correct way, you will gain a decent amount of muscle and not so much fat, but my point is that if you gain muscle with a minimal amount of fat, your bodyfat percentage will go down even though your weight goes up. If your bf% is 13% you don't need to cut, unless you have a good specific reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    I would say he's pretty short, and even though he had personal trainers and dieticians and probably roided to achieve his American History X body, I would bet I now could take him the way he was then, and I'm not a trained fighter nor very big. One thing to take into consideration is if you bulk clean and slow the correct way, you will gain a decent amount of muscle and not so much fat, but my point is that if you gain muscle with a minimal amount of fat, your bodyfat percentage will go down even though your weight goes up. If your bf% is 13% you don't need to cut, unless you have a good specific reason.
    I want to get down lower then 13% because im the type of person thats defined
    around my whole body (chest, biceps, thighs, calves, back, triceps etc.) except two kep places. My stomach, and my butt. Im the typical beer belly type person. You know, the kind of people that have a small gut, but after sucking it in you can see their ribs. Yup thats me. I really dont have to try and you can see my ribs. Also you can see the very top row of my abs. However just a few inches down you cant see any type of muscle definition, and like i said even though its not big i'll admit i have a stomach. Also my buttox is like jello if its un-flexed. Flexed, its rock hard...but yea you know. Im getting to in-depth with all this. I can feel the muscle there but its just hiding. That extra 4% of fat should bring it out of hiding.

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