"Low End of Normal"

[JustinASU]

I thought I'd start a new thread since my old one wasn't getting any love anymore. I went to the doctor today to get the results from my blood tests. My testosterone is in the "low range of normal" or so the doc says. Normal values range from 240 to 800. I am sitting at 361. This, in my mind, sucks ass. My libido is DEAD. The doc isn't sure whether it's the testosterone or my anxiety that is killing my libido. He decided to tackle anxiety first. He prescribed Clonazepam to use to ease my anxiety issues. I really think it's the "low end of normal" test issue. He said to come back in two weeks and if I hadn't improved he would look into TRT. I have a few questions:

1) Would TRT be a good route to persue at this point? (keep in mind I'm 23 and I want to have kids someday)
2) I dropped Nolva and Clomid about 2-3 weeks ago. Should I start taking these again? I took them for about 17-18 weeks after my cycle.
3) Has anyone had any experiences with Clonazepam?

I asked the doc if there was any way to boost my natty Test levels, he responded with a decisive "no".

[ectx]

I thought I'd start a new thread since my old one wasn't getting any love anymore. I went to the doctor today to get the results from my blood tests. My testosterone is in the "low range of normal" or so the doc says. Normal values range from 240 to 800. I am sitting at 361. This, in my mind, sucks ass. My libido is DEAD. The doc isn't sure whether it's the testosterone or my anxiety that is killing my libido. He decided to tackle anxiety first. He prescribed Clonazepam to use to ease my anxiety issues. I really think it's the "low end of normal" test issue. He said to come back in two weeks and if I hadn't improved he would look into TRT. I have a few questions:

1) Would TRT be a good route to persue at this point? (keep in mind I'm 23 and I want to have kids someday)
2) I dropped Nolva and Clomid about 2-3 weeks ago. Should I start taking these again? I took them for about 17-18 weeks after my cycle.
3) Has anyone had any experiences with Clonazepam?

I asked the doc if there was any way to boost my natty Test levels, he responded with a decisive "no".

I think you should hold off on trt...you might still be bouncing back. I hate to say it because clomid sucks, but maybe another 3-4 weeks of clomid are in order followed by another check on your test levels. It's just something to consider. Perhaps the guys in the aas forums might help you better with that aspect of your recovery....

you can always freeze your swimmers, lol

I think ultimately it's a good idea to try the clonazepam and see how it affects your libido...nothing to lose, although perhaps razorcut is a little better equipped to handle that question.

[razorcut]

.....maybe another 3-4 weeks of clomid are in order followed by another check on your test levels.

I agree completely. It may not hurt to extend that clomid treatment a little further.

I think ultimately it's a good idea to try the clonazepam and see how it affects your libido...nothing to lose, although perhaps razorcut is a little better equipped to handle that question.

Yes, thanks. Razorcut the libido expert. But in all seriousness....if your anxiety is a significant issue, it's certainly going to affect your libido. I suspect your decreased libido is a combo of both the underlying anxiety and low normal test levels. Clonazepam is not a bad medication for anxiety, but like any other med in the benzodiazepine class, I wouldn't recommend taking it much longer than 3 to 4 weeks. But again, IMO it's not a bad choice for the time being to ease that anxiety while your natural test levels continue to recover.

[Spartan936]

I asked the doc if there was any way to boost my natty Test levels, he responded with a decisive "no".

My level was 344, and my doctor put me on a replacement cream/gel. Of course, I am younger than you, and all docs have different opinions. With my test higher I do feel somewhat better, anxiety has lessened, but it's not gone. Your levels will hopefully recover on there own, who knows; mine didn't, haha. My swimmers are all dead in the water, so don't feel bad. That's just my experience, hope it helps.

[cosmicdebree88]

I dunno about 1 and 2 but I have been taking clonazepam for a while now. It is very effective for curbing short bouts of high anxiety. However, I would not be taking it during the day... during the duration of its effects it tends to make your body a little too relaxed for lots of physical activity and it actually has more of a negative impact on libido. It will most likely leave you feeling very tired when it wears off. At night it helped me sleep and since I've had issues with panic attacks and not as much general anxiety, the fact that it didn't last all day was fine. Also just be aware that if you take if for too long you may become dependant and have to deal with withdrawl when stopping it.

[CrazyK]

I think you should hold off on trt...you might still be bouncing back. I hate to say it because clomid sucks, but maybe another 3-4 weeks of clomid are in order followed by another check on your test levels. It's just something to consider. Perhaps the guys in the aas forums might help you better with that aspect of your recovery....

you can always freeze your swimmers, lol

I think ultimately it's a good idea to try the clonazepam and see how it affects your libido...nothing to lose, although perhaps razorcut is a little better equipped to handle that question.

As far as I know treatment with HMG and HCG solves this problem as long you had normal levels of sperm before. I could be wrong though, but I've been told by guys who were on HRT for 15 years than wanted kids, they did this treatment and there wives were pregnant in a month or two.

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As far as I know treatment with HMG and HCG solves this problem as long you had normal levels of sperm before. I could be wrong though, but I've been told by guys who were on HRT for 15 years than wanted kids, they did this treatment and there wives were pregnant in a month or two.

HCG is a temporary fix, you really need clomid to normalize your levels.

[JustinASU]

Per Rene's suggestion I am continuing clomid therapy. Course it's a liquid research product so it's not very reliable. in 2 weeks I meet with the doc again to see if the anti anxiety meds helped the ol' libido (which they are not--I want nothing to do with sex). SO I guess at that point we'll discuss TRT

[Powdered_Power]

Just a suggestion, as Im totally unaware of the effect cycles will have on you but would it make a difference if you simply take a test booster such as bulgaris tribulus or something similar?

Just my 1 and a half cents here as I used them for a short while and had the most embarrasing issue of constant wood anywhere and everywhere...

[JustinASU]

Any increase in test from tribulus would be quite negligible.