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Contrast training is a unique way to optimize results. Read this article by Lee Boyce about how to incorporate it into your training to pack on lean muscle mass.

By: Lee Boyce Added: March 25th, 2013
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    Should I bulk or cut

    Over the last two years I been working and watching what i eat, I have managed to drop 25 pounds. Unfortunately I did not lift as I should so while i lost weight, my muscles mass did not increase. I have now decided to start lifting with discipline and develop muscle mass

    I am trying to figure out, I still have some decent amount of fat is in my stomach.

    Should I continue cutting until that fat is gone, or should i start bulking up now, and cut later

    here are some pics taken as I am now,

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    thank you for your help and advice

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    DeaTH BeFoRe WeaKNeSs sCaRz*Of*PaiN's Avatar
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    You should bulk up and then cut later. Get some nice lean body mass on you and then cut to reveal your hard-earned muscles. And you will not gain any significant muscle mass while in a caloric deficit. Calories = muscles. What's your diet look like? Your training routine?

    You are pretty thin right now so congrats with the weight loss. Now it's time to start adding some serious muscle.

    Here's some links you can check out:
    The 10 Commandments For Gaining Mass
    The Best of Diet and Nutrition Threads
    The Best of Bodybuilding and Fitness Threads
    What A Bodybuilder Eats

    And some routines for you to check out:
    WBB Routine #1
    Baby Got Back

    Good luck!
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    You need to eat a lot and lift weights.

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    Bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk, bulk. Then when you are done bulking, hit up some more bulking until you have bulk comin out your ears. Then are allowed to cut.

    On a more serious note, you should set some personal goals, and shoot for them. Then when you get closer, re-adjust and see if you will be content with those say goals or want to go bigger / lighter.
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    I was planning to start with the wannabebig routine 1,
    and eat 18 X my bodyweight ( 146 pounds), of very clean diet, and do some adjustments as I move foward, I am hoping 18X is not too much

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    18 x 146 is 2628 calories. That's not even going to be close to enough, in my opinion. Work your way up slowly if you need to, but a month from now you should be getting 4000 calories a day.

    And don't even think about cutting. You probably would benefit from gaining 50 lbs first before worrying about cutting. That may sound ridiculous, but I've gained 55 lbs and I don't feel like I'm anywhere near the point where a cut is necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofer
    18 x 146 is 2628 calories. That's not even going to be close to enough, in my opinion.
    Everybody is individual and reacts differently to certain caloric intakes. This is why we manipulate calories until we find what works.


    Work your way up slowly if you need to, but a month from now you should be getting 4000 calories a day.
    No he shouldn't. He should find the right amount for his individual needs.
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    try bulkin
    to sculpt you must first have concrete
    You are only as stong as your weakest joint

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    I would bulk if I were you. Especially since in the beginning there's a good chance you'll do both.

    How tall are you? I'm assuming around 5'10''?
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    I am actually 5.8 I used to weight 175 pounds, ( 2 years ago) in the chubby side, now I weight 146

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    Keep bulking, don't worry about cutting.

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    Its always been my opinion that if have to ask that question then the answer is always bulk.
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    dude you barely have ay body fat as it is, maybe 15%, i would kill to have your frame to start a bulk with, you'll see results very fast. You will lose that small bit of fat just from some serious lifting, as well as put on some mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldsclone
    dude you barely have ay body fat as it is, maybe 15%, i would kill to have your frame to start a bulk with
    That's because he lost 25 pounds... He didn't "start" with this.
    "The only easy day was yesterday."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidney_rv
    I was planning to start with the wannabebig routine 1,
    and eat 18 X my bodyweight ( 146 pounds), of very clean diet, and do some adjustments as I move foward, I am hoping 18X is not too much
    You're going to eat 18 x your bodyweight in food? That's 2,628 lbs of food man!!!!

    (I'm assuming you meant to say "in calories". That's not enough.)
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    Seefood diet.
    me: so this is the "pump" you speak of
    me: I could never figure out what people were talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido
    You're going to eat 18 x your bodyweight in food? That's 2,628 lbs of food man!!!!

    (I'm assuming you meant to say "in calories". That's not enough.)
    ya calories... its not enough ?? hmm, I was just going for what i have read in the net, any suggestions on the amount of calories I should be consuming ?

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    Your starting calories are fine. See how they work for you and adjust accordingly.
    "The only easy day was yesterday."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Huard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyone View Post
    I agree with McVein

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    by the looks of it man, if you start lifting, i think youll get a lot bigger, without much fat....stick to the programme, and get yorself some goals....good luck
    Quote Originally Posted by Everyone View Post
    I agree with McVein

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