Do doms signify anything?

[JConrad]

I've heard many people on this and other forums saying that DOMS aren't a sign of progression or growth, I don't dispute this. Do DOMS signify anything meaningful?

[Unreal]

A build up of lactic acid.

[Holto]

A build up of lactic acid.

We read this alot but the lactic acid is gone by the next day.

The presence of Kinins and other cellular goodies are what cause the doms.


"Blood and muscle lactate levels typically return to normal values after 30-60 minutes of recovery."

http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/...e-soreness.htm

[bjohnso]

No.

[deeder]

I've heard it's from micro-tears in the muscles...

[Holto]

I've heard it's from micro-tears in the muscles...

This makes sense to me but then I wonder why I don't get sore from every session. We know the micro-tears occur each time we lift.

[Paul Stagg]

It signifies that you have DOMS. That's about it.

[hoser813]

I've heard it's from micro-tears in the muscles...

thats true and the main cause of this is from the eccentric phase of the lift.

[Paul Stagg]

Could you post where you found this information.

Something like a study or a textbook or something, not a post on a bulletin board or article on a website, please.

kthx

[Steele]

Are you a philosopher?

-Steele

Could you post where you found this information.

Something like a study or a textbook or something, not a post on a bulletin board or article on a website, please.

kthx

[hoser813]

Could you post where you found this information.

Something like a study or a textbook or something, not a post on a bulletin board or article on a website, please.

kthx

Its hard to link a textbook, but a quick google came up with these:

"Any movement you aren't used to can lead to DOMS, but eccentric muscle contraction (movements that cause muscle to contract while it lengthens) seem to cause the most soreness. "

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/i...a/aa010600.htm

"Eccentric exercise has been reported to significantly contribute to the onset of DOMS.1–4 Delayed-onset muscle soreness is the feeling of soreness after large-force, eccentric exercise5–7 and usually peaks at 24 to 48 hours postexercise,2,6–8 with resolution at 5 to 7 days.6,7 It is associated with muscle pain, swelling, and decreased muscle endurance and force production, which can be detrimental to athletic performance.1"

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/bot...&artid=1250257

[JConrad]

But surely if DOMS signalled micro-trauma then DOMs would be an indication of growth, becasue the more DOMS you felt, the more micro-trauma you would have, and more micro-trauma equals more growth. And we know that DOMS are not an indication of growth.
Maybe its something that science hasn't figured out yet.

[Paul Stagg]

'Has been reported', 'seems to'.

Not exactly earth shattering proof, nor does it address your statement that microtrauma causes DOMS, which is what I'm looking for.

It is not known exactly what causes DOMS, but we do know that DOMS in and of itself isn't related to strength or hypertrophy. You can get big and strong and not get sore, or you can get big and strong and get sore. You can stay small and weak and get sore, you can stay small and weak and not get sore.

One thing I know, you are far more likely to stay small and weak worrying about getting sore.

[hoser813]

'Has been reported', 'seems to'.

Not exactly earth shattering proof, nor does it address your statement that microtrauma causes DOMS, which is what I'm looking for.

It is not known exactly what causes DOMS, but we do know that DOMS in and of itself isn't related to strength or hypertrophy. You can get big and strong and not get sore, or you can get big and strong and get sore. You can stay small and weak and get sore, you can stay small and weak and not get sore.

One thing I know, you are far more likely to stay small and weak worrying about getting sore.

Well, you are right... no one knows the exact cause of DOMS, but research suggests what causes it and thats all we can go on at this point.

Quoted from the ACE manual (the NASM manual says the same thing, but I dont have it with me right now)

"Available research indicates that delayed soreness (delayed onset muscle soreness, or DOMS) is most likely the result of very small tears in the connective tissues that hold individual muscle fibers together within the belly of the muscle, as well as some tearing of the membrane of the muscle cells. Futhermore, research suggests that this latent soreness is closely associated with the eccentric, or negative, phase of the muscular effort."

[mickyjune26]

This conversation seems so vaguely familiar, as if it's occured thousands of times on these forums.

[Paul Stagg]

Well, you are right... no one knows the exact cause of DOMS, but research suggests what causes it and thats all we can go on at this point.

Quoted from the ACE manual (the NASM manual says the same thing, but I dont have it with me right now)

"Available research indicates that delayed soreness (delayed onset muscle soreness, or DOMS) is most likely the result of very small tears in the connective tissues that hold individual muscle fibers together within the belly of the muscle, as well as some tearing of the membrane of the muscle cells. Futhermore, research suggests that this latent soreness is closely associated with the eccentric, or negative, phase of the muscular effort."

What research?

Most likely? keep trying.

Yes, this has occured over and over again. We keep answering it because it's important people focus on what actually gets you big and strong, which is progression over time, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH SORENESS.

[hoser813]

What research?

Most likely? keep trying.

Yes, this has occured over and over again. We keep answering it because it's important people focus on what actually gets you big and strong, which is progression over time, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH SORENESS.

I never said DOMS is the reason you get big and Im not trying to support that idea, all I am posting about is the cause of DOMS as a response to a previous post.

[Holto]

I never said DOMS is the reason you get big and Im not trying to support that idea, all I am posting about is the cause of DOMS as a response to a previous post.

I don't think that last part of his post was directed at you but rather the reoccurence of this topic.

[bjohnso]

This conversation seems so vaguely familiar, as if it's occured thousands of times on these forums.

Yes, we seem to get one of these every week.

[Al3X]

Not enough research to be proven otherwise.

[mickyjune26]

My ears get DOMs.