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CKD & Soreness
Anyone else using the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet have problems with muscle soreness? Seems like I am a lot more sore than usual while on this cutting diet.
I would assume it is due to not having carbs to refill the muscle after a workout...
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Yes, that most likely is the problem.
Curious if you changed your routine when you started the diet. From what I understand about the diet, you need to completely change your routine.
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How do you guys set your calorie intake while on the ckd diet? Do you use the same amount as a regular diet? And like how do you determine how low your carbs will be? And how long do you cycle for? Sorry, Im just full of questions. I wanna drop some bodyfat starting now to get a head start on summer, which is something I never do until its too late, and I dont know which diet to use. Ive never used a ckd, but Im seeing everyones progress with it, so Im getting mad curious.
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I changed the timing of my workouts and added a Full Body workout on Friday...
Sun: Push
Wed: Pull
Fri: Full Body
After that Friday workout I go through a carb up period for about 12 hours. I believe the purpose of the full body workout is to completely run your body out of carbs before "carbing" back up.
As far as reps and weight I haven't really changed much. I will say though that working out on this diet is a real bitch. Especially after several days of no carbs.
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How much do you weigh, and how many cals are you consuming?
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As far as calories go, I try to hold it to around 2000 calories. However, according to Adkins, if your body is in a state of Ketosis, you WILL burn fat. I use the Ketosticks you can buy over the counter to test every day if I am maintaining ketosis.
In the 2 weeks I have been doing this, I have cut about 5 pounds without much noticable loss in muscle. I plan to go another 2-3 weeks this cycle and then try to slowly gain weight again. I also cycled off of creatine so I will start that again in March.
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When I started working out I weighed 150 pounds and jumped up to 175 pretty quick. Unfortunately I put on some fat as well as muscle. So now I am trying to cut back to about 160, which is where I should be. If I can put on about 2 pounds lbm per month, I can be up to a lean 180 by the end of the year.
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My recovery on this diet sucks!
I said it in my journal and I'll say it again that based on my experience, this diet sucks for strength/ size. This being due to the increased recovery time of the bodys systems.Maki Fit Blog
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take your bodyweight x 12 and drop a 1000 calories.when your body has a calorie deficit there's plenty of bodyfat to be used as fuel so dont worry about the people that tell you a 1000 is too much.i havent lost too much lean mass and the lower bf% makes you look more muscular anyway.i stay under 25 grams of carbs a day.you've chosen the right diet for cutting it definately works.just take it one day at a time.good luck
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Definitely take it one day at a time.
Now that my weight is starting to slowly dip below 190 I'm starting to get the "bulking itch".Maki Fit Blog
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"Soli Deo Gloria"
"Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21
"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
Romans 7:14-25
"Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
The Art of Judo
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maki,after my ckd is over(10 more pounds)i'm gonna start cycling on the abcde diet(2 weeks bulking 2 weeks keto)i'm definately getting the urge to bulk especially during the week when my musles are flat from glycogen depletion.but i decided i've been big for a while now i'm gonna get RIPPED!!!
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*** I'm formulating a bulking plan as well.Originally posted by irish mike
maki,after my ckd is over(10 more pounds)i'm gonna start cycling on the abcde diet(2 weeks bulking 2 weeks keto)i'm definately getting the urge to bulk especially during the week when my musles are flat from glycogen depletion.but i decided i've been big for a while now i'm gonna get RIPPED!!!
I'm thinking 5 more pounds and then I'm gonna bulk again.
I've always been ripped, big is betta!!!!!!!!Maki Fit Blog
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"Soli Deo Gloria"
"Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21
"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
Romans 7:14-25
"Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
The Art of Judo
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Muscular recovery takes a kick in the nuts from carb reduction, which is why your sore. Reduce the frequency of your workouts or your gonna get overtraine.
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Good point, Severed... I have been considering whether to reduce workouts because of the soreness. I think that might be best for recovery.
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You should revolve your training around carb-loading days.
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syntekz,
I agree but it is hard to do sometimes. Especially if you are going no carb for 6 days. By the middle of the week my a$$ is dragging.
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