What is more important for fighting, technique or strength?

**the_hall** · 02-08-2002 03:03 PM

What is more important for fighting, technique (karate, ninjutsu (sp?) etc.) or strength.

I used to think karate was just BS, and strength is more important. But today some 120lb kid at my school literally knocked a 180lb kid (not a fat kid either) the **** out.

I thought this little kid was a puss, but apparantley karate does work. I thought it was a joke at first because the 120lb kid is so skinny and weak. But apparently he is a black belt too.

Personally I think most of the time the strong muscular person will win the fight though. Karate can only get you so far when it comes to fighting.

**PowerManDL** · 02-08-2002 03:04 PM

Technique and speed. Strength is the root of both, but not necessarily maximal force output.

**heathj** · 02-08-2002 03:05 PM

Technique..

**Blood&Iron** · 02-08-2002 03:29 PM

A gun.

**Gyno Rhino** · 02-08-2002 03:47 PM

Technique, no doubt. You may be able to generate 10K units of force, but if you can't deliver that to the target, it's useless. The guy that can deliver 3K to the target everytime will win. For instance, Bruce Lee could have kicked everyone's ass on this site. Sure he was strong, but there are stronger here.

**Joe Black** · 02-08-2002 05:10 PM

well in a physical situation I think the mind is the most important thing. The most important thing is to interpret the situation correctly and act quickly and accordingly.

For example its not uncommon for someone of 120 lb to whack out a 180 lb guy. Its pretty easy really. You catch someone clean with your full agression behind a punch and 9 times out of 10 they are going out.

If I argue with someone and think their is a remote chance someone is gonna whack me you can be sure as hell he is gonna get whacked first. You can tell it in their eyes straight away. Thats what is important to notice. Once you get caught with a hard punch its hard to turn a fight around. I have seen many guys struggle to pull a fight around once they got sucker punched. The key is to inflict maximum violence in a short burst preferably unpredictably and its over in seconds.

At the end of the day there are not many fights that you both start with an even chance, guards up and ready to fight. Most of the fights I have been in I have thrown the first punch but 9/10 there WAS gonna be a fight so why get hit first? Finish the job quickly and hard and you will win.

All the karate and stuff might help for self confidence, I did karate for 5 years when I was younger and I can honestly say it did not help me that much. I stoped when I was like 13.

Strength is important and so is technique and both will make you a better fighter but in the street if you don't have that ability to interpret someones behavior and don't have the bottle to hit first you are gonna get beat most of the time.

**Darcy Tucker** · 02-08-2002 05:14 PM

If your in like middle school the ability to take a punch is very important. once you get older though and the guys get bigger this becomes more even. I'd say all aspects are important. You can't have power without speed and vice versa.

**SweatHawg** · 02-08-2002 08:01 PM

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**Mr.Anonymous** · 02-08-2002 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Hulk

All the karate and stuff might help for self confidence, I did karate for 5 years when I was younger and I can honestly say it did not help me that much. I stoped when I was like 13.

What form of karate did you study?

Technique (knowing how to fight) is much more important than strength.

**Rock** · 02-09-2002 03:20 AM

But if like Lou Ferrigno and a karate black belt man would fight, close up, with little space between them, it would look pretty hilarious.

**Joe Black** · 02-09-2002 04:13 AM

Wadaru (Spelling?)

It was quite a competitively based style of karate that focused on competitions, although I never actually took part in any.

**W8_4_Me** · 02-09-2002 06:36 AM

Techinique.

Just ask my 7 year old karate kid. She weighs 68 lbs, but her techinique is good! She kicks BUTT!

**Tryska** · 02-09-2002 06:38 AM

winning.

**Hot Shot** · 02-09-2002 08:11 AM

I think the most important thing when you fight is to cheat like low blow,eye gauging, punch in the throat.

I think I watch too much wrestling

**Mr.Anonymous** · 02-09-2002 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Rock
But if like Lou Ferrigno and a karate black belt man would fight, close up, with little space between them, it would look pretty hilarious.

If a guy as big as Lou got a grip on a "little karate guy", then he could probably kill him.

The hard part would be catching the little sucker!

the reason I asked Hulk, is a studied Shotokan Karate for 3 years.

**Shane** · 02-09-2002 11:36 AM

Man that's a complex question. They are like links in a chain. You should train them all...

It also depends on how you are fighting and how well you utilize the tools available to you. If you use your mind and fight smart that is very important. If you are standing, strength isn't as important as power. Once it goes to the ground strength is more important than power. Technique is important but if your opponent is strong enough they can sometimes overcome technique with strength alone. And some moves are not likely to work in a real situation. I was hardcore into Tae Kwon Do when I was 20. Practicing up to 10 hours a week. There was a guy who was almost good enough to be on the Olympic team. Now, as far as technique goes he had me beat. But without the rules of Tae Kwon Do (we practiced some Hapkido techniques and free sparring of all kinds as well) I would beat him all the time. When kicking high you better be a damn good kicker or you are in trouble. When I moved on to Muay Thai it was obvious to me it was a good art as far as fighting goes. The techniques weren't as complex but basic athletic ability and conditioning counted for a lot more in Thai fighting IMO. I also took Wing Chun which, if you have the techniques down well, you can consistently beat someone stronger than you. In an art like that technique matters more than strength. Arts like Aikido are much the same in that regard. So as far as which is the most important aspect of fighting, it's all going to depend on how you utilize what you have and also who you are fighting.

But you should train everything. If you take two opponents who are equal in knowledge, technique, strength, power, etc. And you increase any of those for one of them, then that one becomes the superior fighter. But you also have to consider luck and opportunity. If two people are of even close caliber and they fight 100 times, it is doubtful one person will win all 100.

**Reinier** · 02-09-2002 11:51 AM

Shane the guy with only 1 ball an ugly tache and a anger management problem was called Adolf.

*W00t-W00t*

"Welcome ladies and gentlemen to tonights fight.

In the Blue corner, weighing in at his off season weight of 400 lbs, the 6"8 towering mountain of mass, the gut, the insane, Greg Kovacs.

His opponent, in the red corner, weighing in at 80 pounds, 4"5 World champion freestyle fighting in the flyweight class, johnny Eatnuffin."

but isn`t technique much more important? raight....

**Shane** · 02-09-2002 11:58 AM

Oops, my bad. Damn Hitler, can't even spell his name right.

**big** · 02-09-2002 12:34 PM

Boxing is the way to go imo. If you try to kick someone on the street you will most likely end up in big trouble. Plus if you end up in a fight on the street you are probably drunk.

And I have never seen a drunk guy kick someone in the head. Im not talking really drunk, but you have probably had a drink or two. And if you box you will be use to taking punches in the face

and giving them. Most people are not use to getting hit and will freeze.

I would do what Hot shot sayd, hit them in the throat, ear and so on. A storm of punches to all the weak places.

**Covah** · 02-09-2002 01:26 PM

IMO the best fighting style has already been mentioned.

Muay Thai then after that would be boxing. Some of the martial arts in a street fight would have completely useless technics

**Mr.Anonymous** · 02-09-2002 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Reinier
Shane the guy with only 1 ball an ugly tache and a anger management problem was called Adolf.

*W00t-W00t*

"Welcome ladies and gentlemen to tonights fight.

In the Blue corner, weighing in at his off season weight of 400 lbs, the 6"8 towering mountain of mass, the gut, the insane, Greg Kovacs.

His opponent, in the red corner, weighing in at 80 pounds, 4"5 World champion freestyle fighting in the flyweight class, johnny Eatnuffin."

but isn`t technique much more important? raight....

hmmm....obviously you do not know much about fighting.

If the 80 pounder kicked Greg in the throat before he could even move his 25 inch arm, his size would not make a difference, and it does not take that much pressure to collapse a windpipe.

**Shane** · 02-09-2002 04:30 PM

All other things being equal, a Thai fighter will likely take a boxer. I've seen that scenario twice and the Thai fighter came out on top both times. Kicking to the hamstring and elbows work well. There are kicks you can use in the street. In Thai fighting and Wing Chun most kicks are below the waist. I can tell you this too, a Wing Chun practicioner against a boxer of the same level will have the odds in his favor. The problem with any limited system is you do not get exposed to other systems enough. Boxers who are too used to fighting other boxers will not be ready for much else. The only advantage the boxer has is that they usually take conditioning a lot more seriously than most other fighting arts. There is no "perfect system" but some are better than others.

**Cackerot69** · 02-09-2002 06:59 PM

Karate doesn't help you fight at all in real-world circumstances. My cousin in a black belt, and weighs about 15lbs more than me, and I still kick his ass. There was this little 95lb kid in highschool who knew karate and was a black belt and always thought he was a bad ass and he'd just end up getting his ass kicked just like always.

You just gotta keep it a fist fight, don't get into a wrestling match....at least that's when I get f*cked....I can beat just about anybody in boxing but can't beat a 6 y/o in wrestling.

**Tryska** · 02-09-2002 07:09 PM

krav maga has real-life application.

**notSoBig Guy** · 02-09-2002 07:29 PM

I took BJJ (Brazilian Jui Jitsu) for 6 months, learned the basics, I quit cuz too much cardio and I hate cardio. But I really believe a guy well trained in BJJ can take out a boxer or Muay Thai fighter, simply cuz the striker will attack first usually, opening up a chance for a takedown, and once a boxer or any stand up trained fighter goes down, he cannot do anything, he's finished. But I will say Muay Thai is more effective for fighting multiple people. Knowing kickboxing and grappling will make you an extremely dangerous fighter.

I think size and strength is irrelavant in martial arts, but a well trained heavyweight kickboxer, will usually be able to beat the hell out of a well trained lightweight kickboxer.

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