Well here are some pics of me at almost 184 (5'10-11). My strength has gone through the roof since I just started Bill starr 5x5. My bench went from 135x5 to 160x5 (with a little bit of help on the last one). I STILL have zero chest and am very pissed off about that. Ive been eating like a mad man, doing everything right, proper form and such and have seen little to no difference. Im incredibly pissed off.
Heres my before pics taken mid December
I was hoping the bill star routine would help with size on my chest but I dont know why its not working. I gained almost 20 pounds (a little bit of fat, nothing much) and I still look like ****. Overall since the summer ive gained about 40-45 pounds.
Legs arent anything special, I can only squat atf 160x5.
I see people my height and 30 pounds lighter than look like they have more muscle than I do. Could the fat be covering some that im not seeing?
My numbers are as follows (since the summer)
Bench- 95x8 - 160x5
Row- 145 x 5
Deadlift- N/A - 210
Squat (ATF)- N/A - 160
Now I feel that when I go on a cut ill look skinny with no muscle. I guess my genetics just suck balls. My goal is to be 9-10% bf by the summer. I think im about 16-17%bf now... Is that about right?
Ill try harder next bulk but I dont know what else I can do...
Last edited by BFGUITAR; 05-01-2007 at 10:13 PM.
Nope, never work traps directly. They get a big hit during my deadlift session though.
I didnt really flex them. Heres one with them flexed.
And everything is lagging alot, I know that.
Dude, keep with it. You look a lot better IMO than in your first set of pics. You're getting bigger, not gaining to much fat, what more do you want? Be in for the long haul.
I want better gains
I think my expectations were too high... I see people on this forum gain 15 pounds and look different and was hoping for the same thing really. I dont think my frame allows such a drastic change from 15 pounds.
keep it up man; time and patience.
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You have clearly put on size. But I see what you mean about the pecs - and it's a common lament.
You MIGHT find a different rep range more beneficial for pecs. My small experience with lagging parts (I had no lats and no delts. Okay, and no back at all and no quads) has taught me that for some muscles on my body, lower rep range stuff works great (on me: hams, tris, bis), where the lagging parts seemed to need higher rep work; more volume.
In my little mind, this makes me think that perhaps on my body, I have a slightly-higher-than-normal distribution of slow-twitch muscle in these areas, so the higher rep range stuff was destined to work better. Dunno if this helps, buy my quads, lats and delts seem to have responded in this way. Perhaps this will be the case with your pecs?
dude for your chest i'd like to suggest that you swap to dumbells. My chest exploded when i made this swap.
I also enjoyed: Puting a light dumbell in one hand and a heavt one in the other and using control to to complete each rep of dumbell benchpress.
How can I do dumbells if im doing bill starr? Should I ditch the routine than?
Perhaps more reps would be better...
No need to ditch it entirely - but perhaps you need a little modification to it to suit your particular physiology - or even just a break from it for a while. How long have you been doing it?
Sorry if I cant help that im weak but I kind of ****ed up my body by doing 0 excersise from age 1-17. My muscles are probably in terrible shape still.
Yes I go to failure.
Built i think im just going to **** this routine and try something else it clearly hasnt been working well for me.
Is BGB a good transition?
Oh good! Because you start getting into the realm that for me, beyond this point there be dragons, but I understand that CNS fatigue starts to limit your lifts before true muscle fatigue kicks in.
How long have you been doing the bill star programme?
Oh and don't be too pissed. For one, the guys who are lighter and look bigger never have any wheels. For another, yes, the fat does cover up much of what you've gained. A small cut ought to uncover some nice gains.
I like BGB - I wrote it up because it's what I use.
There's a get built with some mods for extra chest work if you want to check that out. I think it's issue four.
9 weeks of bill starr.
Yeh but I was hoping to look half decent for the summer instead ill have large arms with 0 chest.
Im thinking of starting my cut soon... I want 10% bf by the summer. I was hoping to put on enough muscle in that time so I can look good after the cut bnut now im not sure.
Is it too early for a cut if I want to look good for the summer?
You figure you're at 16% bodyfat, and you want to hit 10%.
This means you have about 15 lbs to drop, right?
Pound a week for a cut is pretty standard for a fella your size. Plan accordingly.
But in that case it seems ive already screwed myself over for the summer. Theres no chance I can get a bigger chest and get to 10% bf in that time.
Is there no other way?
Oh - you mean to cut faster? UD2.0 maybe.