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Contrast training is a unique way to optimize results. Read this article by Lee Boyce about how to incorporate it into your training to pack on lean muscle mass.

By: Lee Boyce Added: March 25th, 2013
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    Your Very First Post

    Thought this might be interesting to do. I can't remember if it had been done in the past. The Member MIA Thread gave me this idea. Even though we have a lot of new members, we have a lot of members that have been here for a couple of years. I figured everybody could post up the very first post they had here, just as a reminder of where we've come from. Here's mine from January of 2004.



    "Here is a little background on myself. A little over a year ago I was 5'10 and weighed 240lbs. I got fed up with being overweight so I started exercising A LOT. I never bothered to figure out the proper way to lose the weight, so I simply cut my calories. At the time I was probably consuming around 1250-1500cal. a day. At this point in time, I am 5'11 173lbs. Now that I have lost this weight, I see where I screwed up. I feel that I have lost a lot of muscle and still have some flab. I play an hours worth of full court basketball everyday, as well as about 1.5 hrs or more of tennis. I am trying to tone my muscle and get my abs to appear, but I would like to do it the right way. My question is, WHAT SHOULD I EAT? How many calories should I be bringing in, and with what types of food?"

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    Here's mine. I'd like to say I've mellowed since then, but... yeah...

    1) PL will never have mass appeal. It doesn't matter whether the lifters are clean, juiced, raw, or equipped. The average joe doesn't give a rat's ass, so any arguments about equipment ruining PL's image are a waste of time IMHO.

    2) Equipment DOES reduce injury and lengthen longevity in the sport. Do you think Louie Simmons or Ed Coan would still be competing if they could wear no supportive equipment?

    3) You can't compare records of old w. equipped lifts. You just can't - like it or not.

    4) Equipment is NOT cheating. It is within the rules. If I enter a raw meet and slip on power briefs under my singlet, or tape something under my shirt to decrease the distance the bar has to travel, or enter a drug-free competition on the juice, then it's cheating.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I am trying to tone my muscle and get my abs to appear, but I would like to do it the right way.
    Daaaamn Chub....
    Last edited by Sensei; 06-08-2007 at 06:33 AM.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Ahahahhha I know man. Believe it or not I didn't catch any flack back then for that. I suppose it's because we didn't have near the influx of ******ed questions that we do now.

    Fuck, fight, or hold the light.

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    Ah, always hitting on the important issue:

    I eat two s'more poptarts and drink a glass of milk for breakfast pretty much every day at work. I know it's not healthy ... but it's cheap.

    Must. Change. Diet. I fear using Fitday...
    Well, nearly two years later I don't eat poptarts every morning. I drink a protein shake or just skip breakfast (I go 13-18 hours between dinner and breakfast recently and my digestive problem ridden stomach has thanked me for dropping the before bed meal). Not exactly an upgrade. Plus I don't use fitday anymore because I've reached the point where I can eat whatever I want whenever I want and as long as I'm active I won't gain or lose weight.

    In short I've replaced ignorance with complacency and motivation with ... injury.
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    My first post wasn't exciting, but you'll like my 5th post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beast View Post
    I know most (if not all) of you hate Muscletech, but every person I've known who has taken Cell-tech has had great results. My best friend, a true ectomorph, was eating a LOT of food everyday, with little weight-gain results. He went from 6'2" 155 to 185 over about 4 months using this stuff.
    Have any of you actually tried it, or were you just too turned off by the advertising/price? I ordered a jug of it a couple days ago, so I'm excited.

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    Here's mine:

    Hello, all!

    I'm new here, and "somewhat" new to bodybuilding. I don't want to be a competitive bodybuilder, but I do want to get bigger and leaner. I've worked out before, and I know my way around the gym.

    Right now I'm doing a 3-day split, twice a week, which will change next week--probably a 5-day split. Once I figure out what exersizes and what days, I'll post them to see your thoughts.

    Just wanted to say hi!
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    My first post wasn't exciting, but you'll like my 5th post.
    Well, don't keep us waiting... did you gain 30 pound of pure muscle from it without changing a thing?
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    Weightlifting Start Date: July 26, 2005 - Bench 95 x 6, Dead 110 x 8, Smith Squat 180 x 8
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG5150 View Post
    Here's mine:
    Your first post had a grammar error... how ironic.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBoxer View Post
    Well, don't keep us waiting... did you gain 30 pound of pure muscle from it without changing a thing?
    I don't even remember taking the stuff... so I guess not!
    Last edited by Beast; 06-08-2007 at 07:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBoxer View Post
    Well, don't keep us waiting... did you gain 30 pound of pure muscle from it without changing a thing?
    I gained 40 pounds of pure muscle by using No-Xplode! In two weeks.

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    What's wrong with: "Here's mine"?
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    I am 16 years old and pretty large at 6'2" and around 240 pounds. I am kind of overweight and am starting to eat better, lift weights, and do some cardio. However, I do not have access to a gym until my school finishes its contruction for the new weight room. So, I am stuck with only using what I have at home: a bench, a barbell, and some weights. My current goal is to loose the fat. After that I will probably start actually packing on the muscle. What exactly do you guys suggest for a routine for me, given the limited equipment that I have?
    Unfortunately, even after all the information and suggestions given in that thread (Built helped me out a lot), I did not stick with it. It was not until I was almost 260 pounds that I started to take a little more serious. Even then I didn't take it that much serious. I still didn't lift, I just cut down on the junk food. Eventually I got down to around 190 though. I actually just started lifting seriously at the beginning of February though.

    I guess at the beginning I was worrying too much about everything being perfect and making sure I didn't do anything wrong. So I never really got started. Read a lot though. Now I realize what I should of done is just stared right away and learn as I went, not put it off just so everything is "perfect."

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    Greeting guys, been reading for a probally over a year now and thought it was about time to hit up some discussion. I'm 19, from Australia and I really want to perfect my physique - which means dirty bulking until I'm 25


    I've been trying to keep to set routine for the last year, but things change, work became nearly 100hours a week (Butcher, go figure) and I couldn't keep to commitments. Luckily I've landed a new job doing a lazy 43 hours, so I have much more time and energy. My chest, wheels, lats and biceps are lacking. But I'm working on it.
    Holy ****, I was about 178lbs then. 2 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordanbcool View Post
    First off i'd like to take this time to greet everyone and say hello! Obviously im new to this forum but i just have one basic question. Am i on the right track? Let me explain more.....

    Im 5'7
    180 pounds

    Currently im trying to "bulk" up and gain more muscle before i start cutting. The only problem is that i only have 2 months to do it and im already a week in. Even though it is possible to lose fat while gaining muscle (a very small amount though) im in for some big gains. I used to weigh 210 and was very chubby and soft. After i lost the 30 pounds though i became obsessed with weight training and constantly getting bigger and stronger. I only just recently started going back to the gym (so i dont expect anything crazy anytime soon) but i just want to be sure im on the right track so after these two months im not left empty handed. Two months isnt alot but i want to gain about 6-7 pounds of muscle and a pound of fat. I consume about 3000-3500 calories a day and my routine is as follows.

    Mondays (lower body)
    Squats
    Leg press
    Standing leg curls
    Calf raises
    Horizontal back raises (yes it sounds odd but its hard to explain)
    Vertical side crunches (also hard to explain)

    Basically im trying to work my lower body really hard, while building some muscle in my love handles so when i trim down i look great.

    Tuesday
    Bench press
    Decline bench press
    Crunches
    Dips
    Lat rows
    Curls (straight bar)

    Thursday
    Box squat or dead lift
    Leg press
    Horizontal "butt" raises *gludious maximus" anyone? (also hard to explain)
    Vertical side crunches (also hard to explain)
    Work out on a machine that works your inner and outer thighs.

    Friday
    Incline bench press
    Pushups
    Curls (dumbell)
    horizontal lat rows
    crunches
    Shoulder raises (dumbells)

    Again with my upper body workouts im trying to stress my whole upper body (back, shoulders, triceps, biceps, chest, abdominals etc.) to increase gains and strength.

    wensdays, sat-sundays i take off to rest but i still eat the same amount of calories and consume the same amount of protein.

    BTW i eat about 250 g-300 g or protein everyday.

    Will i reach my goal? i plan to weigh about 187 when im done but so far i've only gained half a pound (one week mind you).

    thanks again for the help/advice

    -jordan
    A couple things about my first post...

    1) I have no memory of making this my first post.
    2) I'm 5'8
    3) I weigh 190 now two years later but much leaner (I was a fat 180)
    4) I wasn't eating anywhere NEAR 250g or 300g of protein a day
    5) What a noob I was lol...
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    Hello everyone had a couple of shoulder questions.

    Currently on my shoulder day(monday) i usually do, well i dont know the names of the workouts but i can explain them. I use a straight bar with about 95 lbs on it and pull up to my chin using shoulders and arms, that seems to work im soar right now, then i use the pull down machine with about 100 pulling down to the back of my neck, and i use another machine where you sit and push up and down using your shoulders and arms.

    sorry i dont know the names of these exersizes.

    i just over time want to have some massive traps and shoulders.

    (i do all of this for 3 sets of 10)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detard
    hey there, this is my first post. i was just searching around and i found this website. but anyways, heres my question. i seem to be having some trouble gaining mass. ive been working out for about 4 months, and my strength has increased, but my size generally hasnt(biceps, chest, shoulders) i try to get to the gym 3 times a week and this is my workout

    chest/triceps
    back/biceps
    legs/shoulders

    im 15 and been going to the gym for about 4 months, what can i do to try to build mass?
    I didnt seem like the typical newbie. At least I was working my legs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholy View Post
    Heys, My name is Paul. I am just getting into the whole Weightlifting Healthy Life style. I am 18 Years old, 6 foot 1 and currenty 244 pounds. I am Really looking forward to whip my ass into shape and then start bulking up. I do need alot of help though, hence the reason I joined these wonderful forums. Any Advice on a routine to get my started would be greatly appreciated. I just joined the gym about a week ago. Im Fat not much else to say. I would really like to get my body fat down and start putting on some nice muscle. I would like to start off with a few questions.

    1) Should I start off doing just cardio to slim down lets say 20 pounds and then start hitting the weights? Or should I do a mix of both, and if so in what proportions? And the third option, should I just hit weights and the fat will turn into muscle?

    2) What type of diet should i follow? I think its safe to say i have about 30-40 pounds of fat i need to get rid of.

    3) This sort of goes into Question number one, but what type of routine should i follow?

    Any help, comments, suggestions would be greatly appreciated

    I want to start seeing some results
    I am hitting the gym about 5 days a week and dedicating one of thoe days to some hardcore cardio.

    If any of you guys can help hook me up with some help it will not go unappreciated.

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    First post was in reply to someones chest popping.. same with 2nd.. 3rd was in reply to someone with a large head.. funny thread...

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    This was not my first post, my first posts were in infamous threads that ended up deleted, but this was the oldest post I could find.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim View Post
    LOL
    I've been heavily weightlifting for about 3 years, and after more than 2 years even though I was considerably stronger, maybe 40 pounds added on my bench, basically entire body musculature improved, I looked completely different, still weighed 150 lbs, the same as 2 years before when I had NO muscle definition at all. A few months ago I tried throwing more protein in my diet and I gained 10 lbs in a month. It's been about 4 months since then, still lifting hard, and seeing results with every workout, still no more weight gain. Any progress is good progress. Maybe concentrate more on overload training. Move to heavy weights you can only get 4 reps out of and use those until you can do 8 reps, then add more weight.
    BTW I'm a real hard-gainer, 6'5", 160lbs, 29" waist, 33" chest, 14" arms; solid muscle lol!
    I'm up almost 40lbs, 7" on my waist, at least 8 on my chest, probably 5 on each leg, and I know my arms were not 14" then, but they are 15 now. And of course I no longer believe in hard gainers.
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    Hello WBB'ers

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    I discovered this forum about a month ago and I've been reading it constantly as I've found to have much better information on what I am trying to accomplish, namely, getting bigger and stronger.

    Location: Urbana, Illinois

    Education: University of Illinois, B.A. in Urban Planning

    Job: Economic Development Specialist for the City of Urbana

    Marital Status: Married (Lynn), my wife is a swimmer and swam on teams from the time she was 5 all the way through college, now we do it for fun and fitness and I have gotten her into lifting, as well. She is my training partner and she's making great strength gains!

    Background: I'm 27yo, about 5'9" with shoes on, and when last weighed I was 152lbs. I've been lifting for about 8 years on and off in conjunction with my swimming. However, doing so much cardio and not eating enough has kept me from making any serious muscle mass building. I am very lean, however, and I think fairly strong for my size.

    Fitness: I would consider myself very fit, and the Army training really got me into the mindset of always wanting to be in great shape. I have been a competitive runner (19:40 in my last 5k), swimmer (mostly sprints), mountain biker, and have done some mini-triathlons. At 152 lbs, this is the most I've ever weighed in my life. At the end of high school I was about 5'8" and 125 lbs. I doubt I could have benched more than 135 for a max. I joined the Army and quickly gained another 15-20 lbs in Basic Training, and I've been between 140-146lbs ever since until about a month ago when I started a sensible bulking routine after reading these forums. I've managed to put on an additional 6lbs in 1 month and have been getting much more protein into my diet. I'm still doing cardio about 2-3 days a week, mostly running or swimming. The great thing is that living near a big university I have access to excellent facilities.

    Well, that's about it for now. I'll try to get some pics up soon.

    Later.
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    Haha that's awesome Ryan. I actually think I remember your first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detard View Post
    I didnt seem like the typical newbie. At least I was working my legs.
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    Hey everyone, im 19yrs old and I started training a few yrs ago but all my gains were no more than 5 lbs in a year but the past year ive been taking it really seriously and ive gained 30lbs in the past year. I want to know if you guys think im building a good base for myself and if there is any areas you suggest I could add more muscle onto for better proportions. Also, if there is any experienced people out there that could take an estimate on just how big I could possibly get. Like I said im 19, but I started developing really late. Ill take all types of comments from you guys. Thank you.
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