opinions on fat burners

sorry if there's already a thread on here for these, i tried but couldn't find it. but, what's your opinions on fat burners? do they work? and has anybody tried "arson"?

The only "fat burner" (if considered) I have used is hydroxycut. I used for a few months, 3-4, and lost around 15 lbs, combined with running for an hour from Mon-Sat. IT worked ok. It gave me tons of energy. I couldn't sleep that much because of the caffeine in it, but overall it was ok. I don't think it did anything for me, just the energy boost from the caffeine.


Any one that would recommend something to lose weight?


Thanks,


Ryu

I recommend getting your diet in check, lifting heavy and throwing in some cardio. If you really want an aid then try the ECA stack (epehdra,caffeiene,aspirin).

Originally Posted by Trainwreck

I recommend getting your diet in check, lifting heavy and throwing in some cardio. If you really want an aid then try the ECA stack (epehdra,caffeiene,aspirin).

this....

I've used both Thermocin and Nitor from Atlarge and definitely noticed a difference.

I've been slowly cutting without any supps for the past couple months but I finally caved a couple days ago and ordered adipo-x. If nothing else, the stimulants should help give me an energy boost in the gym.

EC stack + yohimburn ES
Thermorexin


non OTC- script/research
Dexedrine + caffeine

Pramipexole- appetite suppression and GH increases (see below)
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...igure&id=fig04

for fat burners and me - Ephedrine and caffeine. End of story.

Originally Posted by Adam

for fat burners and me - Ephedrine and caffeine. End of story.

eventually you will have to cycle it, and use for shorter periods. (generally).

also as you age, generally one will also have to deal with various metabolic changes as well as the inevitable increase in aromatase (and thus estrogen).l

so EOS... perhaps right now... but EOS infinitum... probably not.

Originally Posted by macro

eventually you will have to cycle it, and use for shorter periods. (generally).

That's a Myth. The thermogenic effect of EC continues with long term use. Appetite suppression and other stimulation effects subside after a while.

Source with studies:
http://www.ironmag.com/archive/ironm...ca_cycling.htm

Originally Posted by machaf

That's a Myth. The thermogenic effect of EC continues with long term use. Appetite suppression and other stimulation effects subside after a while.

Source with studies:
http://www.ironmag.com/archive/ironm...ca_cycling.htm

yeah... those are the primary effects.. sure metabolic effects are nice.. but they really are not much without the other 2

Originally Posted by Trainwreck

I recommend getting your diet in check, lifting heavy and throwing in some cardio. If you really want an aid then try the ECA stack (epehdra,caffeiene,aspirin).

Are ECA stacks safe? Ephedra has been pulled off the market, this is why I ask, I know you can still get it in a lot of places but it makes me a bit nervous and I can not find any concrete information about it.

Would and ECA stack be a good pre-workout formula? I currently use nitor as my pre-workout stimulant

I have tried many including the ECA stack, which I used to think was the gest. Now, I will tell you without reservation to try Nitor http://atlargenutrition.com/nutritio...products_id=12 I am 292 lbs. and I cannot even take 2 at a time. With my diet in check and Nitor I am dropping 1 lb. a week which is perfect. This stuff is very potent. I challenge people to try it and tell me differently.

Originally Posted by vdizenzo

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Off topic bro, but your forearms are HUGE! U look great even at 290+

And thanks for the Nit suggestion, I *may* try that after my bulking (AKA:Im too lazy to diet so Im eating big) phase. Ill probably try to cut this summer.

Andrew

I am currently taking nitor and I love the product, tons of clean energy. I am able to take 3 capsules with no problem, but again I really like the product. I was only asking about the ECA stack out of curiosity. Not trying to say anything bad about atlarge, I am currently taking nitor and results, both of which I think are 2 of the best products on the market

Originally Posted by jwood1988

Are ECA stacks safe?

YES.

they were pulled off the market but they are back. The FDA lost that case, because they could not prove ANY HARM. Though most large companies wont carry it because an FDA pull means insurance companies wont touch it.