omg guys stop squatting now please - Wanna Be Big Bodybuilding and Weightlifting Forums

McLaughlin · 10-23-2009, 06:58 PM

srsly guys, srsly

So at the gym yesterday I was listening to two guys talk in the locker room about lifting... blah blah curls, blah blah range of motion for biceps, blah blah. But then one guy talked about how amazing deadlifting was and so I listened a little more, as well as took a look to see who was talking. Deadlifter was about 5'6 and low bf% apparently some type of gymnast... kinda gay, but whatever, he likes deadlifts. The other guy is about 6'4 black dude talking about bicep range of motion and such.

So anyway, the tall one starts saying how squats are super bad for you and how when the top of your calf muscle presses against the back of your thigh, it's just going to cause your knee to snap apart, so you should never squat for that reason.

Now I know probably 99% of you guys squat, and a bunch of you probably 405-600+..... just wondering, have any of your knees every completely unhinged at the bottom? I'm thinking to be safe we should all just stop until this is looked into more thoroughly.

~~

Yeah... that was good for a laugh. I didn't say anything though, just walked out & drove to work. Just thought I'd share

Invain · 10-23-2009, 07:53 PM

Yeah my knees snap apart all the time when doing ATF squats. I make sure to wrap them tight though, helps keep **** together.

McLaughlin · 10-23-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Invain

Yeah my knees snap apart all the time when doing ATF squats. I make sure to wrap them tight though, helps keep **** together.

Oh damn, good to know, I should start doing that too, I hate it when my legs fall apart ><

tomv · 10-23-2009, 08:55 PM

Gymnasts are beasts man, ultimate upper body strength.

McLaughlin · 10-23-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tomv

Gymnasts are beasts man, ultimate upper body strength.

I agree. It was the other guy that was against squatting.

BigCorey75 · 10-23-2009, 10:25 PM

the guy is an idiot talking about knees unhinging at the bottom position of the squat, he has no idea about anatomy and basic muscle function and he is a ****** and deserves to be hit the the face repeatedly with a piece of mining equipment

McLaughlin · 10-23-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCorey75

the guy is an idiot talking about knees unhinging at the bottom position of the squat, he has no idea about anatomy and basic muscle function and he is a ****** and deserves to be hit the the face repeatedly with a piece of mining equipment

Nah man, his physical trainer dude explained it to him, so he totally doesn't need squats.

Invain · 10-24-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCorey75

the guy is an idiot talking about knees unhinging at the bottom position of the squat, he has no idea about anatomy and basic muscle function and he is a ****** and deserves to be hit the the face repeatedly with a piece of mining equipment

Lmao. Harsh.

Mathillas · 10-24-2009, 02:34 AM

All the trainers gasp when I go below parallel on my squats. Then I get the lecture about how I'm going to damage my knees. I wish I had a few handbooks on kineseology around when they do this. It's starting to get old!

Bodyguard · 10-24-2009, 07:50 AM

Whats a squat??????????????????????

McLaughlin · 10-24-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bodyguard

Whats a squat??????????????????????

A dangerous exercise that breaks knees.

Don't ever attempt. Stick to 6 variations of curls in the rack instead, thanks.

Oh and that's per day, 4-5 days a week, obviously.

ZenMonkey · 10-24-2009, 10:43 AM

Good thread.

So, in other sad news, I was prepping to take a personal trainer cert test (Cooper) and was reading the material and came across the section talking about how squats are inherently bad (as well as other full ROM BB movements). It is very sad that this is what is being taught to "trainers".

Jorge Sanchez · 10-24-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenMonkey

Good thread.

So, in other sad news, I was prepping to take a personal trainer cert test (Cooper) and was reading the material and came across the section talking about how squats are inherently bad (as well as other full ROM BB movements). It is very sad that this is what is being taught to "trainers".

I'm think they say that for liability purposes. It's much easier to outlaw squats (and other BB movements) than to take the time to teach people how to do them -- let alone teach people how to teach other people how to do them. A significant amount of time would likely have to be spent teaching a trainer how to properly coach a squat in order for the certification company to avoid liability in the event that a trainee gets hurt.

tom183 · 10-25-2009, 02:30 AM

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Good thread.

So, in other sad news, I was prepping to take a personal trainer cert test (Cooper) and was reading the material and came across the section talking about how squats are inherently bad (as well as other full ROM BB movements). It is very sad that this is what is being taught to "trainers".

Im currently doing my personal trainer certification aswell. Here's a couple of excerpts from the nutrition textbook:

'Another side effect from a high protein diet is that calcium absorption and retention is decreased, as the kidneys work hard to excrete the extra nitrogen"

"Side effects of a low carbohydrate diet include ketosis, headaches, fatigue, nausea, bad breath and decreased performance"

DieselWarrior · 10-25-2009, 11:00 AM

But I thought ass to the grass squats could cure any ailment? (Rippletoe)

Well, Ill keep doing mine and take the risk...

McLaughlin · 10-26-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tom183

Im currently doing my personal trainer certification aswell. Here's a couple of excerpts from the nutrition textbook:

'Another side effect from a high protein diet is that calcium absorption and retention is decreased, as the kidneys work hard to excrete the extra nitrogen"

"Side effects of a low carbohydrate diet include ketosis, headaches, fatigue, nausea, bad breath and decreased performance"

Oh yes, high protein low carb is the devil... lol?

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Originally Posted by DieselWarrior

But I thought ass to the grass squats could cure any ailment? (Rippletoe)

Well, Ill keep doing mine and take the risk...

Just a friendly note - it's Rippetoe, no L in the middle

mrelwooddowd · 10-26-2009, 09:35 PM

I read something legitimate a couple years ago that described damaging the knees the same way the guy at your gym described. I wish I could find that article.

The thing about it was, it's talking about bouncing out of the squat--the whole "reversing a door hinge" thing. It's legitimate. So..don't bounce. Don't be an idiot.

Either way, we'd all be foolish to believe that squats won't damage the knees over time--even with good form.

Cmanuel · 11-07-2009, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tom183

Im currently doing my personal trainer certification aswell. Here's a couple of excerpts from the nutrition textbook:

'Another side effect from a high protein diet is that calcium absorption and retention is decreased, as the kidneys work hard to excrete the extra nitrogen"

"Side effects of a low carbohydrate diet include ketosis, headaches, fatigue, nausea, bad breath and decreased performance"

Well technically that last bit about low carb diets certainly is true, but that's only if the low carb diet is sustained long enough for severe ketosis to occur. Thats why cyclic low carb diets are so popular, to avoid those nasty side effects.

platypus · 11-08-2009, 11:30 PM

happens to me at least twice a set. i've gotten used to it.

Guido · 11-09-2009, 03:45 PM

I simply build in time to go the ER after every squat workout to get my lower legs surgically reattached. It's pretty much a ritual now so I've gotten used to it.

KBig · 11-09-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tom183

"Side effects of a low carbohydrate diet include ketosis, headaches, fatigue, nausea, bad breath and decreased performance"

this is true... I often have bad breath after downing a protein shake....

10-23-2009, 06:58 PM	#1
McLaughlin Weak and Flabby Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 783	omg guys stop squatting now please srsly guys, srsly So at the gym yesterday I was listening to two guys talk in the locker room about lifting... blah blah curls, blah blah range of motion for biceps, blah blah. But then one guy talked about how amazing deadlifting was and so I listened a little more, as well as took a look to see who was talking. Deadlifter was about 5'6 and low bf% apparently some type of gymnast... kinda gay, but whatever, he likes deadlifts. The other guy is about 6'4 black dude talking about bicep range of motion and such. So anyway, the tall one starts saying how squats are super bad for you and how when the top of your calf muscle presses against the back of your thigh, it's just going to cause your knee to snap apart, so you should never squat for that reason. Now I know probably 99% of you guys squat, and a bunch of you probably 405-600+..... just wondering, have any of your knees every completely unhinged at the bottom? I'm thinking to be safe we should all just stop until this is looked into more thoroughly. ~~ Yeah... that was good for a laugh. I didn't say anything though, just walked out & drove to work. Just thought I'd share __________________ A:23 H:5'7 W:196lbs (GW:225) Squat:185 Bench:115 Dead: 135 OHP: 65 GOALS (12/31/09) Squat:225 Bench:155 Dead:275 OHP:115 Journal

10-23-2009, 07:53 PM	#2
Invain Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,692	Yeah my knees snap apart all the time when doing ATF squats. I make sure to wrap them tight though, helps keep **** together. __________________ 5' 8" 205 lbs Bench: 370 raw Squat: 470 raw Deadlift: 550 raw

10-23-2009, 08:55 PM	#4
tomv Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,598	Gymnasts are beasts man, ultimate upper body strength. __________________ My Journal Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.

10-23-2009, 10:25 PM	#6
BigCorey75 WBB's Juggernaut/Liason Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: im from a small town called fresh off a cops ass where mr. head potatoes are skinned and get mashed!! Posts: 3,961	the guy is an idiot talking about knees unhinging at the bottom position of the squat, he has no idea about anatomy and basic muscle function and he is a ****** and deserves to be hit the the face repeatedly with a piece of mining equipment __________________ Why live if one can not Deadlift?- John Paul Sigmasson Accept that which is useful and reject what is not- Bruce Lee Reason and Logic trump religion- Me Restriction of education, Censorship of knowledge, and Proliferation of religion helps keep the masses tamed- Me

10-24-2009, 02:34 AM	#9
Mathillas Wannabebig Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: East Bay, CA Posts: 42	All the trainers gasp when I go below parallel on my squats. Then I get the lecture about how I'm going to damage my knees. I wish I had a few handbooks on kineseology around when they do this. It's starting to get old! __________________ Stats-Bench 265lbs, squat 365lbs, deadlift 425lbs weight 285lbs height 5' 10"........as of 29 MAY '09 weight 238lbs height 5'10" ........as of 23 OCT '09

10-24-2009, 07:50 AM	#10
Bodyguard Pain is only a feeling! Join Date: May 2009 Location: that special place Posts: 122	Whats a squat?????????????????????? __________________ Age: 17 Height: 6'1 Weight: 245 (toned) All lifts are raw: Bench: 325(max) Squat: 495(max) Dead lift: 450(max)

10-24-2009, 10:43 AM	#12
ZenMonkey Big cheese, make me Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ...la plataforma Posts: 5,745	Good thread. So, in other sad news, I was prepping to take a personal trainer cert test (Cooper) and was reading the material and came across the section talking about how squats are inherently bad (as well as other full ROM BB movements). It is very sad that this is what is being taught to "trainers". __________________ The Slings and Arrows of Outrageous Fortune "The Olympic Snatch is gymnastics with a bar." -Rippetoe

10-25-2009, 11:00 AM	#15
DieselWarrior I DRANK YOUR MILK Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 130	But I thought ass to the grass squats could cure any ailment? (Rippletoe) Well, Ill keep doing mine and take the risk... __________________ 42 years old, 5'9", 245lbs, wannabeBIG with muscle! "If you wanna be diesel, you gotta first be a warrior!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDV_9Ys7ftc

11-08-2009, 11:30 PM	#19
platypus squat rack curler Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 313	happens to me at least twice a set. i've gotten used to it. __________________ ain't nuttin but a peanut. You will have gotten stronger when the weight that feels heavy is actually heavier than the weight that feels heavy now. Then the weight that feels heavy now will be a warmup for the weight that feels heavy then. But the weight will always feel heavy or you're not lifting enough weight. Clear? -Rippetoe Not skinny, just small boned

11-09-2009, 03:45 PM	#20
Guido Breaker of Skulls Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 40N 88W Posts: 11,046	I simply build in time to go the ER after every squat workout to get my lower legs surgically reattached. It's pretty much a ritual now so I've gotten used to it. __________________ 5'9" 212 lbs DL 600x1 SQ 457x1 (raw) BP 430x1 (shirted), 315x1 (raw) SN 209x1 (95kg) C+J 242x1 (110kg) My Training Journal www.illinipowerlifting.org "Most people don't want to learn new things. They only want to hear about things that validate crap they're already doing." - Mike Boyle

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