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big · 09-15-2001, 08:47 AM

Ok this is how it's gonna be!

Week 1-4: Thai d-bol 30mg/day
Week 1-8: Sustanon 250mg/once a week

3 weeks after last susta shot: Clomid at 100mg/day 10days & 50mg/day for another 10 days.

Q's:

Nolvadex and Proviron, how much do I need. Should i buy both, or just the Nolvadex? Im thinking, buying a little (enough for 1 week of both) of both and if I get gyno symptoms I will buy more right away.

Also I have not read about people using both, why is that? If you get gyno symptoms, do you stop the AS and use anti estrogens only or do you continue with the AS and add the anti?

Also read that you could do 300!mg of Clomid the first day?

tuttut
Please dont flame me for this, I just want to be 100% sure about everything! Some things im just double checking. Thx.

YatesNightBlade · 09-15-2001, 09:00 AM

Your cycle looks good. You might want to consider upping to 500mg for weeks 4-6.

Proviron one or two 25 mg per day should be sufficient to prevent gynecomastia. But if your not sensitive to it ... I wouldn't bother. You may get reduced gains from your cycle on it, as Proviron is an androgen it binds to androgen receptor sites within the body making it difficult for other streroids to take effect.

G-B · 09-15-2001, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Big_Brick
Ok this is how it's gonna be!

Week 1-4: Thai d-bol 30mg/day
Week 1-8: Sustanon 250mg/once a week

Like Yates suggested, up it to 500mg on weeks 3-6.

Quote:

Nolvadex and Proviron, how much do I need. Should i buy both, or just the Nolvadex?

No you will not need to buy both. I would say buy about 25-30 20mg tabs of nolvadex, or 50-60 10mg tabs.

Quote:

Im thinking, buying a little (enough for 1 week of both) of both and if I get gyno symptoms I will buy more right away.

Sorry, thats not the way to do it. Who says your source will still have it on hand? Who says he will be able to ship it to you right away?

Quote:

If you get gyno symptoms, do you stop the AS and use anti estrogens only or do you continue with the AS and add the anti?

No you do not stop taking your AS. You stay on track with your cycle while taking 20-40mg of nolvadex for 4 days, then take 10mg of nolvadex a day for the next 7 days.

Quote:

Also read that you could do 300!mg of Clomid the first day?

No you do not need to take 300mg of clomid the first day. Since you are taking sost and it is long acting I would suggest you wait 2 weeks after your last injection and then take 100mg clomid ED for a week. Next 2 weeks take 50mg of clomid ED, and you are done.

Daniel Clough · 09-15-2001, 11:10 AM

Big Brick...

Very close to what my first cycle is gonna be..

Although during the middle as these guys say I am gonna use 500 a week on the sust.

Also have EVERYTHING on hand. That way you can gaurentee to get the best results.. You know you won't **** it up..

Good luck.

Tadger · 09-15-2001, 11:59 AM

You may want to consider dropping the sust and going with some enanthate or cypionate instead. Personally, I see no reason to taper... I've always been taught just run the dosage straight through. The halflives on the test we're lookin at are pretty long as it is so tapering is kinda pointless. Do taper the d-bol off the last week or so. Make sure you have some nolva on hand... even if you don't use it now, you'll have it for future cycles. With the terrorist **** goin down like it is, availability may be somewhat lower... might take longer to get what you need... make sure you have plenty. Grab some clomid for post cycle... about 30 tabs is good. Start about a week or so after your cycle...run it at 100mg/day for a week then 50mg/day for two more.

big · 09-15-2001, 03:11 PM

Oh and another thing. When i flex my pecs my nipples are soft, they are kinnda puffy if you know what i mean. They have been that way as long as i can remember. I dont think its gyno, it doesn't have to be right? by the way it doesn't bother me at all.

Well I guess my Q is, if you have gyno will you still get the normal warning signs if it starts to develope again?

FLEX 2000 · 09-15-2001, 03:45 PM

it could be from a high % of bf, natural gyno from puberty etc.

im with tadger, no need to taper up and down the sus, go with 500mg or 250mg.

yes you can take 300mg on day 1, this is how i take my clomid and have had good success. good luck with your cycle!

Tadger · 09-15-2001, 06:42 PM

Even if you've already had a mild case of gyno, you're still going to see warning signs. If the tissue behind the nipples becomes hard or feels more fibrous, the nipples get itchy then hit the nolva. Alot of people are pretty paranoid about gyno... thin that every little itch is the beginning... but if you get it you'll know. I don't think that you'll have too much trouble on that cycle though.

THE RUSH · 09-18-2001, 05:55 PM

i/m/o you dont need to wait so long after your last shot to begin clomid. i would say even as short as one week after you could begin.

Maki Riddington · 09-18-2001, 06:28 PM

Tadg, why is that you think he should drop the sust and go with the enathate or cyp?

Tadger · 09-18-2001, 08:06 PM

Sust is overrated. You'll see results a bit quicker with sust maybe... but that's only at higher dosages (750+ mg/week... if you inject e/d or e/o/d you'll make best use of the prop in there). If you're goin with only 250mg/week you're not going to see much at all. Get yourself some ICN galenikas or sumthin. Your test levels will stay more consistant and they're a bit more potent... they're cheaper too.

YatesNightBlade · 09-19-2001, 02:28 AM

Real Sus is hard to get hold of too.

big · 09-19-2001, 02:59 AM

www.anabolicreview.com
"To make it very clear: Those who have never taken steroids do not yet need any testosterone and should wait until later when the "weaker" steroids begin to have little effect."

Anyway i'll do enanthate or cypionate next time. Im all set on this cycle. Maybe I shoudl go with 500 susta.

Tadger · 09-19-2001, 12:22 PM

Yeah... you may want to bump the dosage a bit. If you do, take it twice a week for best results. That way test levels don't fluctuate so much.

09-15-2001, 08:47 AM	#1
big decease, RIP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway. Posts: 1,760	? on my cycle. Ok this is how it's gonna be! Week 1-4: Thai d-bol 30mg/day Week 1-8: Sustanon 250mg/once a week 3 weeks after last susta shot: Clomid at 100mg/day 10days & 50mg/day for another 10 days. Q's: Nolvadex and Proviron, how much do I need. Should i buy both, or just the Nolvadex? Im thinking, buying a little (enough for 1 week of both) of both and if I get gyno symptoms I will buy more right away. Also I have not read about people using both, why is that? If you get gyno symptoms, do you stop the AS and use anti estrogens only or do you continue with the AS and add the anti? Also read that you could do 300!mg of Clomid the first day? tuttut Please dont flame me for this, I just want to be 100% sure about everything! Some things im just double checking. Thx.

09-15-2001, 09:00 AM	#2
YatesNightBlade Porn Star Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Northern England Posts: 5,223	Your cycle looks good. You might want to consider upping to 500mg for weeks 4-6. Proviron one or two 25 mg per day should be sufficient to prevent gynecomastia. But if your not sensitive to it ... I wouldn't bother. You may get reduced gains from your cycle on it, as Proviron is an androgen it binds to androgen receptor sites within the body making it difficult for other streroids to take effect. __________________ * * * * * * * * * Yates hard core n. 1 irreducible nucleus. 2 colloq. a the most committed members of a society 'Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind'

09-15-2001, 11:59 AM	#5
Tadger Lazy Mexican Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Idaho Posts: 1,397	You may want to consider dropping the sust and going with some enanthate or cypionate instead. Personally, I see no reason to taper... I've always been taught just run the dosage straight through. The halflives on the test we're lookin at are pretty long as it is so tapering is kinda pointless. Do taper the d-bol off the last week or so. Make sure you have some nolva on hand... even if you don't use it now, you'll have it for future cycles. With the terrorist ** goin down like it is, availability may be somewhat lower... might take longer to get what you need... make sure you have plenty. Grab some clomid for post cycle... about 30 tabs is good. Start about a week or so after your cycle...run it at 100mg/day for a week then 50mg/day for two more. __________________ "We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected." -Henry David Thoreau "For the last ten years, Saddam has been building, stockpiling and hiding weapons all over the **in desert, while laughing at the UN. As soon as Bush says, 'That's it we're comin in to kick your ass,' and the UN is inches away from supporting him. Saddam turns around and says, 'Um... United Nations.... sure, we'll let the weapons inspectors in.... no terms or conditions.' The United Nations.... being the left-wing, pansy-ass, limp-wristed, liberal bastards they are, turn around and believe him." -Col. Foreman, USAF email: tadger@wannabebig.com secure email: tadger@cyber-rights.net

09-15-2001, 03:45 PM	#7
FLEX 2000 Wannabebig Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 75	it could be from a high % of bf, natural gyno from puberty etc. im with tadger, no need to taper up and down the sus, go with 500mg or 250mg. yes you can take 300mg on day 1, this is how i take my clomid and have had good success. good luck with your cycle! __________________ It's not quantity, it's quality!

09-15-2001, 06:42 PM	#8
Tadger Lazy Mexican Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Idaho Posts: 1,397	Even if you've already had a mild case of gyno, you're still going to see warning signs. If the tissue behind the nipples becomes hard or feels more fibrous, the nipples get itchy then hit the nolva. Alot of people are pretty paranoid about gyno... thin that every little itch is the beginning... but if you get it you'll know. I don't think that you'll have too much trouble on that cycle though. __________________ "We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected." -Henry David Thoreau "For the last ten years, Saddam has been building, stockpiling and hiding weapons all over the ***in desert, while laughing at the UN. As soon as Bush says, 'That's it we're comin in to kick your ass,' and the UN is inches away from supporting him. Saddam turns around and says, 'Um... United Nations.... sure, we'll let the weapons inspectors in.... no terms or conditions.' The United Nations.... being the left-wing, pansy-ass, limp-wristed, liberal bastards they are, turn around and believe him." -Col. Foreman, USAF email: tadger@wannabebig.com secure email: tadger@cyber-rights.net Last edited by Tadger; 09-15-2001 at 06:43 PM..*

09-15-2001, 11:10 AM	#4
Daniel Clough Soon to be lean... Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Cambridge, England Posts: 14,371	Big Brick... Very close to what my first cycle is gonna be.. Although during the middle as these guys say I am gonna use 500 a week on the sust. Also have EVERYTHING on hand. That way you can gaurentee to get the best results.. You know you won't **** it up.. Good luck.

09-15-2001, 03:11 PM	#6
big decease, RIP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway. Posts: 1,760	Oh and another thing. When i flex my pecs my nipples are soft, they are kinnda puffy if you know what i mean. They have been that way as long as i can remember. I dont think its gyno, it doesn't have to be right? by the way it doesn't bother me at all. Well I guess my Q is, if you have gyno will you still get the normal warning signs if it starts to develope again?

09-18-2001, 05:55 PM	#9
THE RUSH Wannabebig Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: up in this be yatch Posts: 40	i/m/o you dont need to wait so long after your last shot to begin clomid. i would say even as short as one week after you could begin. __________________ 9/11/01 WILL NOT be forgotten. Last edited by THE RUSH; 09-18-2001 at 08:03 PM..

09-18-2001, 06:28 PM	#10
Maki Riddington Proud Father Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 15,998	Tadg, why is that you think he should drop the sust and go with the enathate or cyp? __________________ Maki Fit Blog At Large: Optimize Your Body \| Dynamic Conditioning \| My articles on Wannabebig "Soli Deo Gloria" "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!" Romans 7:14-25 "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength." The Art of Judo

09-18-2001, 08:06 PM	#11
Tadger Lazy Mexican Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Idaho Posts: 1,397	Sust is overrated. You'll see results a bit quicker with sust maybe... but that's only at higher dosages (750+ mg/week... if you inject e/d or e/o/d you'll make best use of the prop in there). If you're goin with only 250mg/week you're not going to see much at all. Get yourself some ICN galenikas or sumthin. Your test levels will stay more consistant and they're a bit more potent... they're cheaper too. __________________ "We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected." -Henry David Thoreau "For the last ten years, Saddam has been building, stockpiling and hiding weapons all over the ****in desert, while laughing at the UN. As soon as Bush says, 'That's it we're comin in to kick your ass,' and the UN is inches away from supporting him. Saddam turns around and says, 'Um... United Nations.... sure, we'll let the weapons inspectors in.... no terms or conditions.' The United Nations.... being the left-wing, pansy-ass, limp-wristed, liberal bastards they are, turn around and believe him." -Col. Foreman, USAF email: tadger@wannabebig.com secure email: tadger@cyber-rights.net

09-19-2001, 02:28 AM	#12
YatesNightBlade Porn Star Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Northern England Posts: 5,223	Real Sus is hard to get hold of too. __________________ * * * * * * * * * Yates hard core n. 1 irreducible nucleus. 2 colloq. a the most committed members of a society 'Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind'

09-19-2001, 02:59 AM	#13
big decease, RIP Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway. Posts: 1,760	www.anabolicreview.com "To make it very clear: Those who have never taken steroids do not yet need any testosterone and should wait until later when the "weaker" steroids begin to have little effect." Anyway i'll do enanthate or cypionate next time. Im all set on this cycle. Maybe I shoudl go with 500 susta.

09-19-2001, 12:22 PM	#14
Tadger Lazy Mexican Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Idaho Posts: 1,397	Yeah... you may want to bump the dosage a bit. If you do, take it twice a week for best results. That way test levels don't fluctuate so much. __________________ "We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun; he is no more humane, while his education has been sadly neglected." -Henry David Thoreau "For the last ten years, Saddam has been building, stockpiling and hiding weapons all over the ****in desert, while laughing at the UN. As soon as Bush says, 'That's it we're comin in to kick your ass,' and the UN is inches away from supporting him. Saddam turns around and says, 'Um... United Nations.... sure, we'll let the weapons inspectors in.... no terms or conditions.' The United Nations.... being the left-wing, pansy-ass, limp-wristed, liberal bastards they are, turn around and believe him." -Col. Foreman, USAF email: tadger@wannabebig.com secure email: tadger@cyber-rights.net

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