Nolvadex to help with non-gear gyno?? - Wanna Be Big Bodybuilding and Weightlifting Forums

Shark · 03-04-2005, 01:06 AM

I just read an article a week or so back which basically said that if you had gyno, say from childhood obesity, taking nolva after the fact (years later) can have a postivie effect on it and help reduce the visual appearance. Does anyone know if this is true? Seems like a pretty inexpensive way to treat gyno.

CrazyK · 03-04-2005, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shark

I just read an article a week or so back which basically said that if you had gyno, say from childhood obesity, taking nolva after the fact (years later) can have a postivie effect on it and help reduce the visual appearance. Does anyone know if this is true? Seems like a pretty inexpensive way to treat gyno.

It worked on me for gear caused gyno.

Shark · 03-05-2005, 10:48 AM

Can I get some more opinions on this? ST, BCC, Tony, you guys know anything about this?

smalls · 03-05-2005, 12:28 PM

I was under the impression that once you had it, you had to cut it out. But about a week ago there was a thread on elite (yeah yeah) where 3 or 4 guys posted that high doses of nolv did help them get rid of gyno, they had for quite some time. I beleive one of them was non gear related. You may wanna check it out.

Shark · 03-05-2005, 01:24 PM

Elite... psshhh!

Severed Ties · 03-05-2005, 02:40 PM

You ****ers really gotaa use the search

Yes it can help.

Cosmetic surgery is the only treatment guaranteed to permanently get rid of gyno. Their is a chance of reoccurrence with drug therapies like Andactim, Clomid, and Nolvadex however drug therapies are cheaper and usually covered by insurance. From the studies I've looked at nolvadex seems to be the most effective drug therapy at treating existing gyno however the chance of reoccurence is also the highest with nolvadex.

Comparison of Tamoxifen with Danazol in the Management of Idiopathic Gynecomastia ALBERT C.W. TING, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.S.,* LOUIS W.C. CHOW, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.S.,* Y.F. LEUNG,? M.B.B.S., M.R.C.PATH.?

Idiopathic gynecomastia, unilateral or bilateral, is a common physical finding in normal men. Successful treatment using tamoxifen (antiestrogen) and danazol (antiandrogen) has recently been reported. We compared the efficacy of tamoxifen and danazol in the treatment of idiopathic gynecomastia. We reviewed the clinical records of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia presenting to the Department of Surgery, University of Hong Kong, between August 1990 and September 1995. Medical treatment with either tamoxifen (20 mg/d) or danazol (400 mg/d) was offered and continued until a static response was achieved. The treatment response was compared. Sixty-eight patients with idiopathic gynecomastia were seen in the Breast Clinic. The median age was 39.5 years (range, 13--82), with a median duration of symptoms of 3 months (range, 1--90). The median size was 3 cm (range, 1--7). Twenty-three patients were treated with tamoxifen and 20 with danazol. Complete resolution of the gynecomastia was recorded in 18 patients (78.2%) treated with tamoxifen, whereas only 8 patients (40%) in the danazol group had complete resolution. Five patients, all from the tamoxifen group, developed recurrence of breast mass. In conclusion, hormonal manipulation is effective in the treatment of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia. Although the effect is more marked for tamoxifen compared with danazol, the relapse rate is higher for tamoxifen. Further prospective randomized studies would be useful in defining the role of these drugs in the management of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia.

ST

Shark · 03-06-2005, 02:44 PM

"Until a static responce was achieved"

How long would you say that is? I was thinking about running 20mg or more a day for a period of time to see if it had any effect.

Severed Ties · 03-07-2005, 12:36 PM

Took about 12 weeks to clear a friend of mines up.

ST

Shark · 03-07-2005, 02:47 PM

Do you think the effect would be quicker with a higher dosage, e.g. 20ED for 3 months or 40ED for 1.5 months?

Shark · 05-16-2005, 11:52 AM

Progress report on this thread:

I ran the nolva for about 6 weeks at 20mg ED and saw little to no difference. I am thinking now about running 40mg ED for a period of six weeks to see if this larger dose will have any effect.

Thoughts on this issue? Anyone else have any experience with this or have an info that might be helpfull. I know that when on cycle a lot of guys here have killed the onset of gyno with high 40-60mg doses so I wonder if higher is not the way to go.

PowerManDL · 05-16-2005, 02:27 PM

40mg/day did my titties right.

Shark · 05-16-2005, 03:54 PM

PowerMan, did you have the gyno from a cycle and if so, did you take the 40mg a day during that cycle or did you do it post cycle. How long did you run the 40mg/day for?

Thanks.

PowerManDL · 05-16-2005, 04:02 PM

It's always been there, but cycling did exacerbate things a bit. And no, I used no anti-e's at the time; it really only got bad post.

I started running the nolva maybe two weeks ago, so it hasn't been all that long. But even in the short term it's made noticable changes. But that could be due to general hormonal issues; I think I normally have rather high estrogen levels.

Shark · 05-16-2005, 04:22 PM

Interesting. I think i'm going to go ahead and run the 40mg a day and see if it makes a difference for me. I'm a little discouraged after running 20mg did nothing but perhaps upping the doseage will be the ticket.

JustinASU · 05-16-2005, 09:09 PM

What about Letrozole as a gyno ridding compound? I've heard it to be extremely effective though-- it can be tough on libido.

Shark · 05-16-2005, 09:14 PM

Tough on libido, you must be assuming that i'm getting some... *sigh* Anyway, is it avaibable over the counter or just as "research?" I'll have to look into that.

Shark · 05-17-2005, 12:47 AM

Powerman, when you say, "noticable changes," are you talking about smaller boobies, or a decrease in pointiness of the chest area itself?

PowerManDL · 05-17-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark

Powerman, when you say, "noticable changes," are you talking about smaller boobies, or a decrease in pointiness of the chest area itself?

It never got to the point of pointiness, really...just a few tiny lumps behind the nipples.

Those lumps are what have been shrinking.

Hatred · 05-17-2005, 12:21 PM

DIfferent type.

Shark · 05-17-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatred

DIfferent type.

What do you mean?

Phelon · 05-07-2006, 01:35 PM

Is there anything else on this? I have slight gyno, or my chest just deposits alot of fat

wannab250 · 05-07-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatred

DIfferent type.

yea lets go over the different types, i have something like gyno not sure if it is "gyno" but it does look just like it imo, its not like my behind my nips are hard ball feeling, my nipps are all squishy feeling, and they are pointy now when my body is hot or i am hot,

but if i get cold my nipps shrivel up and look perfect, chris i beleive i have talked to you about this before and you say its just extra fat is that correct? i ran nolva pre 2nd cycle at 40mg eod and didnt notice ****,

i was very skinny before i started lifting and had no signes of this ive ran 2 cycles and have gained a total of 65 lbs so im sure ive gained alot of fat. hopefully this is something i can get rid of but how? nolva didnt do ****

Phelon · 05-07-2006, 07:27 PM

^my exaxt case!

Canadian Crippler · 05-07-2006, 07:55 PM

^ Exactly. Mine is squishy, not really hard. When it's cold they look normal, when I'm hot they look the worst.

Phelon · 05-07-2006, 08:03 PM

ahh, its a curse

i hate it, they're pointy too.

03-04-2005, 01:06 AM	#1
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Nolvadex to help with non-gear gyno?? I just read an article a week or so back which basically said that if you had gyno, say from childhood obesity, taking nolva after the fact (years later) can have a postivie effect on it and help reduce the visual appearance. Does anyone know if this is true? Seems like a pretty inexpensive way to treat gyno. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

03-05-2005, 10:48 AM	#3
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Can I get some more opinions on this? ST, BCC, Tony, you guys know anything about this? __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

03-05-2005, 12:28 PM	#4
smalls Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,809	I was under the impression that once you had it, you had to cut it out. But about a week ago there was a thread on elite (yeah yeah) where 3 or 4 guys posted that high doses of nolv did help them get rid of gyno, they had for quite some time. I beleive one of them was non gear related. You may wanna check it out. __________________ Diet is key, the calorie is king "Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." --Abraham Lincoln "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933) 30th U.S. President "If you want to look abnormal you have to eat abnormal,lol."--ST

03-05-2005, 01:24 PM	#5
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Elite... psshhh! __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

03-05-2005, 02:40 PM	#6
Severed Ties Always in the Action Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taj Mahal Posts: 3,746	You ***ers really gotaa use the search Yes it can help. Cosmetic surgery is the only treatment guaranteed to permanently get rid of gyno. Their is a chance of reoccurrence with drug therapies like Andactim, Clomid, and Nolvadex however drug therapies are cheaper and usually covered by insurance. From the studies I've looked at nolvadex seems to be the most effective drug therapy at treating existing gyno however the chance of reoccurence is also the highest with nolvadex. Comparison of Tamoxifen with Danazol in the Management of Idiopathic Gynecomastia ALBERT C.W. TING, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.S., LOUIS W.C. CHOW, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.S.,* Y.F. LEUNG,? M.B.B.S., M.R.C.PATH.? Idiopathic gynecomastia, unilateral or bilateral, is a common physical finding in normal men. Successful treatment using tamoxifen (antiestrogen) and danazol (antiandrogen) has recently been reported. We compared the efficacy of tamoxifen and danazol in the treatment of idiopathic gynecomastia. We reviewed the clinical records of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia presenting to the Department of Surgery, University of Hong Kong, between August 1990 and September 1995. Medical treatment with either tamoxifen (20 mg/d) or danazol (400 mg/d) was offered and continued until a static response was achieved. The treatment response was compared. Sixty-eight patients with idiopathic gynecomastia were seen in the Breast Clinic. The median age was 39.5 years (range, 13--82), with a median duration of symptoms of 3 months (range, 1--90). The median size was 3 cm (range, 1--7). Twenty-three patients were treated with tamoxifen and 20 with danazol. Complete resolution of the gynecomastia was recorded in 18 patients (78.2%) treated with tamoxifen, whereas only 8 patients (40%) in the danazol group had complete resolution. Five patients, all from the tamoxifen group, developed recurrence of breast mass. In conclusion, hormonal manipulation is effective in the treatment of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia. Although the effect is more marked for tamoxifen compared with danazol, the relapse rate is higher for tamoxifen. Further prospective randomized studies would be useful in defining the role of these drugs in the management of patients with idiopathic gynecomastia. ST __________________ "Your bench makes Jesus cry." -Chris Russow This is 10% luck, 15% skill, 20% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure and 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name...

03-06-2005, 02:44 PM	#7
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	"Until a static responce was achieved" How long would you say that is? I was thinking about running 20mg or more a day for a period of time to see if it had any effect. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

03-07-2005, 12:36 PM	#8
Severed Ties Always in the Action Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Taj Mahal Posts: 3,746	Took about 12 weeks to clear a friend of mines up. ST __________________ "Your bench makes Jesus cry." -Chris Russow This is 10% luck, 15% skill, 20% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure and 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name...

03-07-2005, 02:47 PM	#9
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Do you think the effect would be quicker with a higher dosage, e.g. 20ED for 3 months or 40ED for 1.5 months? __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-16-2005, 11:52 AM	#10
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Progress report on this thread: I ran the nolva for about 6 weeks at 20mg ED and saw little to no difference. I am thinking now about running 40mg ED for a period of six weeks to see if this larger dose will have any effect. Thoughts on this issue? Anyone else have any experience with this or have an info that might be helpfull. I know that when on cycle a lot of guys here have killed the onset of gyno with high 40-60mg doses so I wonder if higher is not the way to go. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-16-2005, 02:27 PM	#11
PowerManDL Player Hater Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 14,972	40mg/day did my titties right. __________________ Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell. Budiak: That girl I maced Budiak: macked Budiak: heh maced Budiak: I wish ShmrckPmp5: a good thing people can't fire guns through the computer...your ass would have been shot years ago Y2A 47: youre smooth as hell Y2A 47: thats why you get outta tickets, and into panties galileo: you're a **ing beast and I hate you galileo: hate** assgrabbers are never subtile, they will grabb ass whereever they go,public or not, I know the type, because I am one. - Rock

05-16-2005, 03:54 PM	#12
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	PowerMan, did you have the gyno from a cycle and if so, did you take the 40mg a day during that cycle or did you do it post cycle. How long did you run the 40mg/day for? Thanks. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-16-2005, 04:02 PM	#13
PowerManDL Player Hater Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 14,972	It's always been there, but cycling did exacerbate things a bit. And no, I used no anti-e's at the time; it really only got bad post. I started running the nolva maybe two weeks ago, so it hasn't been all that long. But even in the short term it's made noticable changes. But that could be due to general hormonal issues; I think I normally have rather high estrogen levels. __________________ Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell. Budiak: That girl I maced Budiak: macked Budiak: heh maced Budiak: I wish ShmrckPmp5: a good thing people can't fire guns through the computer...your ass would have been shot years ago Y2A 47: youre smooth as hell Y2A 47: thats why you get outta tickets, and into panties galileo: you're a **ing beast and I hate you galileo: hate** assgrabbers are never subtile, they will grabb ass whereever they go,public or not, I know the type, because I am one. - Rock

05-16-2005, 04:22 PM	#14
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Interesting. I think i'm going to go ahead and run the 40mg a day and see if it makes a difference for me. I'm a little discouraged after running 20mg did nothing but perhaps upping the doseage will be the ticket. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-16-2005, 09:09 PM	#15
JustinASU There may be hope yet. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Silently Slipping into the dark abyss of Insanity Posts: 3,028	What about Letrozole as a gyno ridding compound? I've heard it to be extremely effective though-- it can be tough on libido. __________________ Credulous at best Your desire to believe in Angels in the hearts of men. But pull your head on out of your hippie haze And give a listen Shouldn't have to say it all again

05-16-2005, 09:14 PM	#16
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Tough on libido, you must be assuming that i'm getting some... sigh Anyway, is it avaibable over the counter or just as "research?" I'll have to look into that. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-17-2005, 12:47 AM	#17
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Powerman, when you say, "noticable changes," are you talking about smaller boobies, or a decrease in pointiness of the chest area itself? __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-17-2005, 12:21 PM	#19
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05-07-2006, 01:35 PM	#21
Phelon Gettin' there Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Panama City, FLA Posts: 809	Is there anything else on this? I have slight gyno, or my chest just deposits alot of fat __________________ Call me, Johnny. Thanks Check out my JOURNAL! STATS as of: March, 2006 Status: Recovering from a rotator problem...again Current/Goal Weight: 240 +/- Height: 6'3.5 Bench: 330bs touch and go / 360lbs paused Squat: 385lbs / 405lbs Clean: 255lbs / 285lbs 40: 5.3 / 5.0 Vert: 23 / 28

05-07-2006, 07:27 PM	#23
Phelon Gettin' there Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Panama City, FLA Posts: 809	^my exaxt case! __________________ Call me, Johnny. Thanks Check out my JOURNAL! STATS as of: March, 2006 Status: Recovering from a rotator problem...again Current/Goal Weight: 240 +/- Height: 6'3.5 Bench: 330bs touch and go / 360lbs paused Squat: 385lbs / 405lbs Clean: 255lbs / 285lbs 40: 5.3 / 5.0 Vert: 23 / 28

05-07-2006, 07:55 PM	#24
Canadian Crippler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Pavilion Posts: 8,387	^ Exactly. Mine is squishy, not really hard. When it's cold they look normal, when I'm hot they look the worst. __________________ "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr "Damn man why are some women just so demonic and evil.. its like you wanna get a stake and mallet and an erection at the same time." - WBBIRL

05-07-2006, 08:03 PM	#25
Phelon Gettin' there Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Panama City, FLA Posts: 809	ahh, its a curse i hate it, they're pointy too. __________________ Call me, Johnny. Thanks Check out my JOURNAL! STATS as of: March, 2006 Status: Recovering from a rotator problem...again Current/Goal Weight: 240 +/- Height: 6'3.5 Bench: 330bs touch and go / 360lbs paused Squat: 385lbs / 405lbs Clean: 255lbs / 285lbs 40: 5.3 / 5.0 Vert: 23 / 28

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