All this crap about NO2... isn't it NO? - Wanna Be Big Bodybuilding and Weightlifting Forums

Canadian Crippler · 05-01-2006, 01:52 PM

Isn't it Nitric Oxide, NO

NO2 is poisonous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide

crunkdizzle · 05-01-2006, 03:10 PM

its not the same.. when you lift and you get a pump its from your body naturally producing nitric oxide, the supplement is pretty much only to put more of it in your body to produce a bigger pump

Wild Cat McCane · 05-01-2006, 03:26 PM

It is bad in the free radical sense.

Most supplements are loaded with vitamin c and b for this reason...

But are not suppose to use l-arginine, AAKG, NO, for more then 60 days straight.

Canadian Crippler · 05-01-2006, 06:29 PM

So is it actually NO2 in it + other substances to neutralize it, or is it NO?

Canadian Crippler · 05-01-2006, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crunkdizzle

its not the same.. when you lift and you get a pump its from your body naturally producing nitric oxide, the supplement is pretty much only to put more of it in your body to produce a bigger pump

I realize this, which is why it makes no sense that it's called NO2. You don't product NO2, you produce NO.

sCaRz*Of*PaiN · 05-01-2006, 07:00 PM

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=NO2

Canadian Crippler · 05-01-2006, 07:08 PM

Thank you for contributing nothing to this thread.

Anyone?

Shark · 05-01-2006, 07:13 PM

Pretty sure its NO but I have not read anything on it lately. When it first came out it was just l-arginine and a bit of other junk.

Built · 05-01-2006, 07:22 PM

From various sources …

Nitric oxide is a major endogenous regulator of vascular tone. It reacts with oxygen to form nitrogen dioxide, NO2.

Both NO and NO2 are toxic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_oxide

"It is believed that its dialation of the blood vessels (vasodilation) increases blood flow to the muscles, which in turn leads to increased strength, endurance and muscle size. As it is a fairly new product on the market, there is as of yet little research to conclusivley prove or disprove these claims. Nitric oxide supplements do not actually contain nitric oxide, but rather arginine and other precursors such as citrulline, Pycnogenol, L-aspartic acid, and ginsenosides which the body synthesizes into nitric oxide."

sCaRz*Of*PaiN · 05-01-2006, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Thank you for contributing nothing to this thread.

Was it as useful as your comment about how water should be called waterated?

Quote:

Nitric oxide supplements do not actually contain nitric oxide, but rather arginine and other precursors such as citrulline, Pycnogenol, L-aspartic acid, and ginsenosides which the body synthesizes into nitric oxide.

Yeah...it's the reaction within the body that these supplements get their name.

Slim Schaedle · 05-01-2006, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Cat McCane

But are not suppose to use l-arginine, AAKG, NO, for more then 60 days straight.

Explain

(and, you don't use NO (nitric oxide) )

Slim Schaedle · 05-01-2006, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian Crippler

Isn't it Nitric Oxide, NO

NO2 is poisonous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide

NO2 is simply a name.

Just like NOX3, etc etc.

It's not the abbreviation or chemical name for what it really is.

sCaRz*Of*PaiN · 05-01-2006, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Explain

:withstupi

Especially with arginine. Does that mean you should stop eating meat after 60 days?

Wild Cat McCane · 05-01-2006, 08:31 PM

NOW is the only one with the patented AAKG. On their site and labels it reads (not directly quoted) 'don't use for over 60 days'

After wondering why the hell they would say that and not explain I found that AAKG, l-arginine, and other NO products (products that use these ingredients or the pump effect) increase free radicals in the body.

Look under....god damnit...whatever the cheap version of NO-Explode....it was in a few posts back.....

anyways, this label says on its product, the use of these ingredients are harmful, yet they load their product up with all sorts of antioxidants to negate these problems.

Did I get it all? I think that pretty much covers it....I don't know, I still use l-arganine, but I think I slowed it down a lot when i found out all that.

Wild Cat McCane · 05-01-2006, 08:32 PM

Universal shock therapy is the product I was thinking of.

Slim Schaedle · 05-01-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Cat McCane

NOW is the only one with the patented AAKG. On their site and labels it reads (not directly quoted) 'don't use for over 60 days'

After wondering why the hell they would say that and not explain I found that AAKG, l-arginine, and other NO products (products that use these ingredients or the pump effect) increase free radicals in the body.

Look under....god damnit...whatever the cheap version of NO-Explode....it was in a few posts back.....

anyways, this label says on its product, the use of these ingredients are harmful, yet they load their product up with all sorts of antioxidants to negate these problems.

Did I get it all? I think that pretty much covers it....I don't know, I still use l-arganine, but I think I slowed it down a lot when i found out all that.

For future reference, when posting something such as you did, provide a citation where you heard/read it.

Otherwise, we tend to call people out.

That still doesn't tell us why use should be ceased, but since you only read it, I guess you don't really know.

Wild Cat McCane · 05-01-2006, 09:08 PM

Universal shock therapy....on the product it says so? seems like a good reason right there

Go to NOW, find their bulk powder AAKG, read their label

Not saying it is poisen like the op, but it does seem that free radicals are increased while using the product.

But just to point out, not once has a real clynical research study been sighted when discussing creatine on this site.

Built · 05-01-2006, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Cat McCane

But just to point out, not once has a real clynical research study been sighted when discussing creatine on this site.

*cough*

Slim Schaedle · 05-01-2006, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Cat McCane

Universal shock therapy....on the product it says so? seems like a good reason right there

Go to NOW, find their bulk powder AAKG, read their label

Not saying it is poisen like the op, but it does seem that free radicals are increased while using the product.

But just to point out, not once has a real clynical research study been sighted when discussing creatine on this site.

The government also says to follow the food guide pyramid.

.

Canadian Crippler · 05-01-2006, 09:16 PM

Good info Built, I didn't take the time to read through it all at first

Built · 05-01-2006, 09:23 PM

As I enter my Alzheimers years, I'm grateful the stuff's good for brain function.

Slim Schaedle · 05-01-2006, 09:28 PM

And the guys entering their ED years are just as happy.

Built · 05-01-2006, 09:29 PM

Hehehehehehehehe!

Holto · 05-01-2006, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Cat McCane

But just to point out, not once has a real clynical research study been sighted when discussing creatine on this site.

LMAO!!!!

I hope you're not paying too much for this University you allegedly attend.

What are your criteria for real clynical research?

.

Canadian Crippler · 05-01-2006, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holto

What are your criteria for real clynical research?

.

It doesn't matter, just don't forget to SIGHT it!!!

05-01-2006, 01:52 PM	#1
Canadian Crippler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Pavilion Posts: 8,387	All this crap about NO2... isn't it NO? Isn't it Nitric Oxide, NO NO2 is poisonous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide __________________ "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr "Damn man why are some women just so demonic and evil.. its like you wanna get a stake and mallet and an erection at the same time." - WBBIRL Last edited by Canadian Crippler; 05-01-2006 at 01:55 PM..

05-01-2006, 03:10 PM	#2
crunkdizzle WILLbebig Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: okinawa japan Posts: 258	its not the same.. when you lift and you get a pump its from your body naturally producing nitric oxide, the supplement is pretty much only to put more of it in your body to produce a bigger pump __________________ 20 yrs old 6'2" 210 lbs 9% BF bench 330 x 2 squat 415 x 8 once a marine always a marine

05-01-2006, 03:26 PM	#3
Wild Cat McCane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 606	It is bad in the free radical sense. Most supplements are loaded with vitamin c and b for this reason... But are not suppose to use l-arginine, AAKG, NO, for more then 60 days straight. __________________ Age 23, 5' 6" 172 pounds, 9% My grandfather was Earl (unbeatable) "wild cat mccann" Carrier. Weilter weight world champion wrestler in 1933 by beating Jack Renolds. Renolds was later murdered by the mob for having lost. Earl held the weilter weight for most of his career, then moved to hold the middle weight. He was 5 foot 5 inches. Cool history huh?

05-01-2006, 06:29 PM	#4
Canadian Crippler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Pavilion Posts: 8,387	So is it actually NO2 in it + other substances to neutralize it, or is it NO? __________________ "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr "Damn man why are some women just so demonic and evil.. its like you wanna get a stake and mallet and an erection at the same time." - WBBIRL

05-01-2006, 07:00 PM	#6
*sCaRzOfPaiN* DeaTH BeFoRe WeaKNeSs Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11,181	http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=NO2 __________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

05-01-2006, 07:08 PM	#7
Canadian Crippler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Pavilion Posts: 8,387	Thank you for contributing nothing to this thread. Anyone? __________________ "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr "Damn man why are some women just so demonic and evil.. its like you wanna get a stake and mallet and an erection at the same time." - WBBIRL Last edited by Adam; 05-02-2006 at 10:40 PM..

05-01-2006, 07:13 PM	#8
Shark Hot as FCUK Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In Denial Posts: 3,696	Pretty sure its NO but I have not read anything on it lately. When it first came out it was just l-arginine and a bit of other junk. __________________ The only journal you need to read: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/showthread.php?t=120372 "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools" - Hemingway "Dar was ein vorspiel nur, dort wo man bÜcher verbrennt, verbrennt man am ende auch menschen." - Heinrich Heine

05-01-2006, 07:22 PM	#9
Built Just watch me ... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17,535	From various sources … Nitric oxide is a major endogenous regulator of vascular tone. It reacts with oxygen to form nitrogen dioxide, NO2. Both NO and NO2 are toxic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_oxide "It is believed that its dialation of the blood vessels (vasodilation) increases blood flow to the muscles, which in turn leads to increased strength, endurance and muscle size. As it is a fairly new product on the market, there is as of yet little research to conclusivley prove or disprove these claims. Nitric oxide supplements do not actually contain nitric oxide, but rather arginine and other precursors such as citrulline, Pycnogenol, L-aspartic acid, and ginsenosides which the body synthesizes into nitric oxide." __________________ BLOG! Please read before asking about diet Get Built Baby Got Back, How to do Cardio if you MUST, Mmmmm Fat! ... and others ..... (2006 Almost end of cut)......November 2006 end of cut (pasty-white in the gym)......November 2005 end of cut......I'm not a guy

05-01-2006, 08:31 PM	#14
Wild Cat McCane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 606	NOW is the only one with the patented AAKG. On their site and labels it reads (not directly quoted) 'don't use for over 60 days' After wondering why the hell they would say that and not explain I found that AAKG, l-arginine, and other NO products (products that use these ingredients or the pump effect) increase free radicals in the body. Look under....god damnit...whatever the cheap version of NO-Explode....it was in a few posts back..... anyways, this label says on its product, the use of these ingredients are harmful, yet they load their product up with all sorts of antioxidants to negate these problems. Did I get it all? I think that pretty much covers it....I don't know, I still use l-arganine, but I think I slowed it down a lot when i found out all that. __________________ Age 23, 5' 6" 172 pounds, 9% My grandfather was Earl (unbeatable) "wild cat mccann" Carrier. Weilter weight world champion wrestler in 1933 by beating Jack Renolds. Renolds was later murdered by the mob for having lost. Earl held the weilter weight for most of his career, then moved to hold the middle weight. He was 5 foot 5 inches. Cool history huh?

05-01-2006, 08:32 PM	#15
Wild Cat McCane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 606	Universal shock therapy is the product I was thinking of. __________________ Age 23, 5' 6" 172 pounds, 9% My grandfather was Earl (unbeatable) "wild cat mccann" Carrier. Weilter weight world champion wrestler in 1933 by beating Jack Renolds. Renolds was later murdered by the mob for having lost. Earl held the weilter weight for most of his career, then moved to hold the middle weight. He was 5 foot 5 inches. Cool history huh?

05-01-2006, 09:08 PM	#17
Wild Cat McCane Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 606	Universal shock therapy....on the product it says so? seems like a good reason right there Go to NOW, find their bulk powder AAKG, read their label Not saying it is poisen like the op, but it does seem that free radicals are increased while using the product. But just to point out, not once has a real clynical research study been sighted when discussing creatine on this site. __________________ Age 23, 5' 6" 172 pounds, 9% My grandfather was Earl (unbeatable) "wild cat mccann" Carrier. Weilter weight world champion wrestler in 1933 by beating Jack Renolds. Renolds was later murdered by the mob for having lost. Earl held the weilter weight for most of his career, then moved to hold the middle weight. He was 5 foot 5 inches. Cool history huh?

05-01-2006, 09:16 PM	#20
Canadian Crippler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Pavilion Posts: 8,387	Good info Built, I didn't take the time to read through it all at first __________________ "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr "Damn man why are some women just so demonic and evil.. its like you wanna get a stake and mallet and an erection at the same time." - WBBIRL

05-01-2006, 09:23 PM	#21
Built Just watch me ... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17,535	As I enter my Alzheimers years, I'm grateful the stuff's good for brain function. __________________ BLOG! Please read before asking about diet Get Built Baby Got Back, How to do Cardio if you MUST, Mmmmm Fat! ... and others ..... (2006 Almost end of cut)......November 2006 end of cut (pasty-white in the gym)......November 2005 end of cut......I'm not a guy

05-01-2006, 09:28 PM	#22
Slim Schaedle Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,922	And the guys entering their ED years are just as happy.

05-01-2006, 09:29 PM	#23
Built Just watch me ... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17,535	Hehehehehehehehe! __________________ BLOG! Please read before asking about diet Get Built Baby Got Back, How to do Cardio if you MUST, Mmmmm Fat! ... and others ..... (2006 Almost end of cut)......November 2006 end of cut (pasty-white in the gym)......November 2005 end of cut......I'm not a guy

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