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    yeah...sorry for going off on you.

    i've been dealing with ED stuff for like 15 years.....sometimes i wonder if i'm anorexic and don't know it, cuz maybe i've pushed stuff too far down, because i am a chronic undereater, but it's a topic i'm really sensitive about, because there is so much confusion and misinformation regarding it.
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    depression/anorexia illness are often harder to treat than physical ones. I think this is as even if you cure the symptoms but the cause is still there and to you remove the cause, to stop the symptoms reappearing. while physical ones, if you treat it, the illness is solved (generalization).
    The confusion in this country will persist to our press stop looking for people to blame eg posh spice, rather than look for the true cause(s).

    In this country being male, males with depression do not get as much symapathy and normally do not tell any one about. while if you have a physical disorders you get sympathy for it. while this atitude exists, it will be harder to help people as not everyone will be known.

    My apology goes to spidey as well.
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    wow...y'all sound like you were how we were before the 90's when therapy ruled.

    that's still here though. but the thing is it's ore that you automatically get meds here, and most people don't actually talk the stuff out, they just medicate.
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    prozac - i know little about it, but know(not personally, they do not tell me anyway) a lot of people are on it. don't people spend long period of time on anti-depressent as they remove the symptoms but the underlying cause is still there. people often look for the quick fix. thats is one thing that should be changed to help understand illness better.
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    i think it depends on the depression too. but yeah...those with emotional types of depression can fall in that trap. those with depression that's organic tho, can definitely get some help with it.
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    how would you go about treating anorixic people?
    I know the nutrition problems and giving a diet is easy. but force feeding is not the answer(aless they are going to die).
    Bear in mind I do not see myself as the most compansionate person.
    But for future reference, if some one asks for help what would you do to help treat them? though its a hard question especially with many different causes.

    We can debate the illness but aless I can help some one, this knowledge is pointless.
    the media in the UK will not change quickly as they say so much misinformation and spread confusion on so many subjects they are not going to publish much genuine advice for help.

    i can get some info from pubmed and bids. but I got a list of well over 1,000 hits from the last three years when searching. This info is not for me,(not like I am to lazy to use the search eg what does creatine do) but to help others.
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    well to treat an anorexic, who WANTS to be treated...you need to get in their head first. compassion is key.

    well actually let me take that back.....first off i think with someone that's truly in a bad way, you have to get them stabilized firs thing. the only way i see this is traditional inpatient stuff. meals are planned, no bathroom visits for 2 hours after eating et, etc. but the counseling element is the most important part.

    especially with EDs, You gotta treat from the inside first, because this is behavioral. first and foremost.
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    thats the problem for me. I always preferred the nutritional side not the behavoiural side.

    nutritionaly its not hard to treat, well its easy just give more food and do no/very little exercise depending on how bad they are.
    behavoiraly, i have never been good at reading people. I understand concept but not so good at applying them. I would not be good at this part, but then thats why its a hard illness to treat as if it was easy then I could do it.

    to my knowledge no one in my family has had eating disorders.
    I can't remember the rough figure but it has got heridatary traits.

    personally I just have low self esteem with my body. I am confident in other areas of my life. I still think I have mild dismorphia but as I say above I use this as a strength to keep me active and healthy. So if physcologist X came a long I would not want treatment.
    though another person may be far worse than me, but would not want the treatment as like me they do not see it as a problem, but for them it is.
    I think most people here have minor dismorphia issues (well the bbers, not the powerlifters) but not servere enough to cause lower quality of life.
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    on a side note i see body spells very well when he wants to
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    he must be drinking. *lol*

    it's like that saying..crazy people don't think they are crazy. i agree that a lot of us are dysmprhic but funtionally so. i mena we eat live breathe the state of our bodies from minute to minute, hour to hour. but if that dysmorphia has got to a poitn where you are urting yourself more than you are helping yourself, then i think you need worry. also if you are excluding other people from your world cuz they "just don't understand" you have an issue.
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    My spelling is okay, when I read what I write, instead of pressing post reply button. when a conversation get sensetive, i check what i write so go over my spelling mistakes. work has sent me on some english course so I might as well use them.

    I sober its not the weekend yet.
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    Originally posted by body
    I sober its not the weekend yet.
    you is?

    and on another note....i don't know where you get off saying your not good with reading people, and can't really do the compassion stuff.

    i think you did pretty good here. i mean we could have had an all out fight, because i did jump on you, but you handled me well.
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    None of my friends trian at all. (well except for the friend I made at the gym) so quite a few do not see the point in training or talking about training. thats why I spend time in here and talk about training as you are the only lot interested in it like me.

    I do not know what the complete opposite of dismorphia is called.
    But obesity is a bigger killer and far worse economically than eating disorders are (though if you have a ED this will not make you feel better, but the health of the nation will be). So its better to care about appearance than at the opposite end of the spectrum.
    so even though the british press wrongly use posh spice(shes a role model) as a scape goat for EDs. it better than making obesity to acceptable as this would cause more obesity related problems. 100,000 deaths a year in the UK have been related to obesity.
    but this is not political correct to say. I may be wrong.
    gym memember ship in the UK is at a all time high even though other out door activities are lower in numbers. so at least if men aspire to be on the cover of GQ or have a six pack, they have to trian to get one, which is good for the health of the nation, though some people just take it to far. i do not belive I have taken it to far. I may want to be bigger and never satisified when I get to goal X. But I doubt I ever will be satisified with how much moeny I earn. that does not mean I have a disorder jsut want more than I can achieve. If this was not the case fantasy movies would not exist as people like to dream.
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    right but if you got to the point were gay porn would make you more money then you could ever dream of, and your straight but did it anyway...would you have issues then? you see what i'm saying?
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    depends. gay for pay.

    I would not want my parents to know.

    I do not think I would do it. we would have to be talking millions of pounds. But ten hard (pun intended)minutes work and have enough money for the rest of my life. that may be a sacrifice I would take. I would not be proud of myself. But I am confident enough in my sexaulity that I would not do it agian. I would still enjoy the rest of my life. At the end of the day it would not be much worse than working down a sewer.

    I see your valid point. but lots of people do jobs they hate that in the long run can be more depressing(boardom) and make your life feel empty. than ten minutes of a job they really, really hate. but can look forward to the future. luckily I like my job and hardly ever board.

    your question would be more relavant to me, if I was strict catholic or another religon that condemends homosexulatity and be very homophobic. If i was more like that then the question would find out if i had money issues.
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    Originally posted by body
    None of my friends trian at all. (well except for the friend I made at the gym) so quite a few do not see the point in training or talking about training. thats why I spend time in here and talk about training as you are the only lot interested in it like me.

    ....
    i am in essentially the same situation

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    me three...its a bitch..
    ...watch me reap of what I sow....

    and BOOM goes the dynomite!

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    I have a lot of friends who work out. Maybe if you guys had more then 3 friends...

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    Originally posted by body
    thats the problem for me. I always preferred the nutritional side not the behavoiural side.

    nutritionaly its not hard to treat, well its easy just give more food and do no/very little exercise depending on how bad they are.
    behavoiraly, i have never been good at reading people.
    Getting an anorexic to eat? Easy?
    The nutritional side is joined at the hip with the behavioural side It'll take a lot of love, compassion, care, endless hours of sitting by the table talking, cajoling, followed by post meal reinforcement, providing comfort, easing their fear, maybe rocking them...

    Force feeding? Scolding in-patients?
    Obviously I agree that this is not the way.

    To treat them?
    Love them.
    Help them find the courage to love themselves. Prepare yourself to provide unconditional support on a long, rocky journey.
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    Originally posted by Orange357
    me three...its a bitch..
    Me four...

    I could give all to Time except - except
    What I myself have held. But why declare
    The things forbidden that while the Customs slept
    I have crossed to Safety with? For I am There,
    And what I would not part with I have kept.

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    If I say me five, kimpy will run me down.
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    "The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death." --Thomas Paine

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    sorry body...for some reason i thought you were homophobic.....
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    Originally posted by Jane


    Getting an anorexic to eat? Easy?**** (thats not easy getting them to eat,like I said anorexia would not be a problem if that was easy. thats more of the psychologist job or family, but telling(doing what you say is different) them what to eat is, thats how I percieve it.******
    The nutritional side is joined at the hip with the behavioural side It'll take a lot of love, compassion, care, endless hours of sitting by the table talking, cajoling, followed by post meal reinforcement, providing comfort, easing their fear, maybe rocking thank you them...*****thats the bit I am not good at, i can take people mind off trouble, as believe it or not, I can talk about cra* for hours******

    Force feeding? Scolding in-patients?
    Obviously I agree that this is not the way.**** i would only force feed some one who is going to die if they do not eat in the next X peroid of time. you can't be compassionate to a dead person. It would be the last alternative to try, as getting the serotoin levels up a bit may help as well****

    To treat them?
    Love them.
    Help them find the courage to love themselves. Prepare yourself to provide unconditional support on a long, rocky journey.
    :

    thank you for your advice. Luckily at the moment I do not know any one who needs help. (but I might know some one who hides it well, which is the biggest problem).
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    "right but if you got to the point were gay porn would make you more money then you could ever dream of, and your straight but did it anyway...would you have issues then? you see what i'm saying?"

    I dont really see how anybody would reject such an offer.
    say give a guy a blowjob for millions of dollars
    all you need to do to get through that is totally leave emotion out of it and realise what it is, a penis is just a @$#%^piece of meat.
    your not letting a piece of meat stand in your way to major fortune are you?

    if its hygenic, and only for a very very short moment id do that, perhaps even if the numbers of $ arent astronomic but just a good salary pay, made in like a minute.

    *awaits "yeah, but you could just imagine its your own" comments*

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    Originally posted by Tryska
    sorry body...for some reason i thought you were homophobic.....
    I will say things that i don't mean you lesbo.lol

    just like the majority of the people here that I will use gay insults, just as a figure of speech rather than meaning them.
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