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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Squats on machine

    Hello,

    Is it true that doing squats on a machine is prone to injury as opposed to doing them freely on a barbell?

    I always do it on the machine b/c I have no spotter and I heard the above comment from someone...is it true?

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    Squatting on a machine shouldn't even be allowed to be called squatting. You don't need a spotter to squat bro. Sounds like your making excuses for not squatting =P
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    ye its prone to injury because its a fixed plain of motion and not natural
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    If you don't feel safe squatting withoiut a partner, then do it in a power rack and set the pins just below where the bar will be in the bottom position of the squat.
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    thanks for the confirmations guys

    lol no excuses, I always do them on the machine though. I need to start doing them freely. I don't have good balance so i'm afraid of dropping it or something..I need to stop being a panzy, i'll start doing them freely next week

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    I had to do them on a machine yesterday. I still haven't gotten someone to show me the proper form and make sure I am doing it right. My schedule conflicts with all my lifting buddies. Maybe this weekend I will get free time for them to show me.

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    I'd like to do squats, but that bar seems to want to rest on one of the vertebrae things at the base of my neck and I can't get it away from there. That makes me paranoid.

    Plus.. any time my gym gets a pad put around the bar, it mysteriously disappears before my next squat day. Maybe I'm doing them wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirk View Post
    I'd like to do squats, but that bar seems to want to rest on one of the vertebrae things at the base of my neck and I can't get it away from there. That makes me paranoid.

    Plus.. any time my gym gets a pad put around the bar, it mysteriously disappears before my next squat day. Maybe I'm doing them wrong.
    Your doing them wrong. Find the shelf on your back and it wont bother you any more. Don't use the pad, that's embarrasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bako Lifter View Post
    Your doing them wrong. Find the shelf on your back and it wont bother you any more. Don't use the pad, that's embarrasing.
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    Hehe, didn't even wanna mess with it. Just a pad from now on .

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    what are you laughing about? Some guys have to use tampons too.

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    Its really scary and a shame that the habits of today's society has renedered people unable to do something as simple as squat.

    its such a basic movent and we have to relarn it.
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    a basic moment or movement?
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    Man Im illiterate! (sp?)
    Being a strong teenager means nothing.

    My wrists hurt, but some people don't have wrists to be sore. My knees have tendinitis, but some people don't have legs to get tendinitis in. I seem to be going backwards with training, yet some people can't even walk let alone lift 400 pounds on a daily basis.

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    IMO, squats and machine don't mix. If you are using a machine, you were never squatting. If you are squatting, you aren't using a machine.

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    I agree. I see people at the gym talking about squatting 900 lbs, then I see them doing a 900 lb leg press with limited ROM.
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    The machine is sort of an unnatural range of motion. It's hard to maintain a proper arch.

    As mentioned above, don't worry about a spotter. You can set the safety pins fairly high and then just dump the weight if you get into trouble. I think it might be beneficial to have one when you start to watch your form for you though. If you learn to squat incorrectly, you'll have hell to pay when you get further along, hit a wall and then have to relearn.

    Form is everything.

    If the straight bar bothers your back, don't use the pad, look around to see if your gym has a Buffalo bar. A lot of people at the gym I go to use one. I don't because you can't use them at a powerlifting meet. They are quite a bit easier on your back from what I understand though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Superman- View Post
    IMO, squats and machine don't mix. If you are using a machine, you were never squatting. If you are squatting, you aren't using a machine.

    QFT Man i couldnt have said it better..I never really understood people who squat on a machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyBomber View Post
    what are you laughing about? Some guys have to use tampons too.
    You would know because you are a douchebag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirk View Post
    You would know because you are a douchebag.
    Wow... you've got some guts talking to HB like that haha. Of course the internet is a wonderful thing
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    He started it.

    By the way, he doesn't have any way of tracking people down, does he? No reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Superman- View Post
    IMO, squats and machine don't mix. If you are using a machine, you were never squatting. If you are squatting, you aren't using a machine.

    Foo! When I'm squatting I AM A MACHINE!

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    Do you mean a Smith Machine causes injury or a Hack Squat machine? I like the Hack Squat machine personally, feels great, not sure why you'd think it was dangerous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by redFury View Post
    Wow... you've got some guts talking to HB like that haha. Of course the internet is a wonderful thing
    He is new and is unaware of the power that HB possesses. HB is one person I would not want to make mad in real life. He would destroy me with one blow - literally.
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