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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    I read what you said Chris.

    If someone weighs 170 pounds then 500 pounds is the number to lift? Take into account it's relative to bodyweight. As to what they can pull and squat, I'm sure it's respectable in relation to their bodyweight and what other areas of fitness they excel at. Meaning that it is very difficult to build up a high quality of strength as well as be in advanced cardiovascular condition in a large range of areas.

    Not everyone just trains for the big three. Some train to sprint, run, pull, push, and jump using a broad range of distances, heights and loads. That is what encompasses fitness. Not just being able to squat 500 pounds.

    I can understand that it may not be impressive to you because it is not what you like to do. Just as brute strength is not a priority to me.

    I'd like to see you do all of them at a weight that is suited towards your maximal strength levels.

    Lol, no one said that you goof. Seriously, are you reading what I said? I said they were GOOD FEATS. I was IMPRESSED. I am just honestly not as impressed by it as a feat of "brute strength" as you put it.

    You are ascribing an attitude to me that I do not have.

    Would you like to see what I find impressive? Check this out:

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    Now that, to me, is WAAYYYYY more impressive that what those guys are doing. Don't be mistaken, I respect what they are doing and I am sure it would take a bit of work for me to be able to do it, but I am more impressed by 805 lbs x 3 reps in the squat done totally raw.

    Oh, and Donnie plays with kettlebells as well so he could probably do some stuff the cross-fitters would be proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    Lol, no one said that you goof. Seriously, are you reading what I said? I said they were GOOD FEATS. I was IMPRESSED. I am just honestly not as impressed by it as a feat of "brute strength" as you put it.

    You are ascribing an attitude to me that I do not have.

    Would you like to see what I find impressive? Check this out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPevXymONDc

    Now that, to me, is WAAYYYYY more impressive that what those guys are doing. Don't be mistaken, I respect what they are doing and I am sure it would take a bit of work for me to be able to do it, but I am more impressed by 805 lbs x 3 reps in the squat done totally raw.

    Oh, and Donnie plays with kettlebells as well so he could probably do some stuff the cross-fitters would be proud of.
    Chris,

    My reading comprehension is more than fine.

    My reply was to what you had said in your original post: "They don't take tremendous overall bodily strength, they are more lifts of skill."

    I don't agree with your statement, that is all. Ok?
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    Chris,

    My reading comprehension is more than fine.

    My reply was to what you said in your original post: "They don't take tremendous overall bodily strength, they are more lifts of skill."

    I don't agree with your statement, that is all. Ok?

    Sure it is. Just to clarify, you think walking while holding 225 lbs at full lockout requires TREMENDOUS overall bodily strength?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    Sure it is. Just to clarify, you think walking while holding 225 lbs at full lockout requires TREMENDOUS overall bodily strength?

    Not so much as the overhead barbell pistols. That is what I found to be impressive. I'm not so impressed with the overhead walk.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    Not so much as the overhead barbell pistols. That is what I found to be impressive. I'm not so impressed with the overhead walk.
    Wait! Not everyone trains for brute strength you know! It takes:

    Superior core strength.
    Superior shoulder stability.
    Superior lower back and hip flexibility and mobility.
    Superior leg strength.




    Lol, jk! I had to give you some crap!

    We can agree to disagree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    Not so much as the overhead barbell pistols. That is what I found to be impressive. I'm not so impressed with the overhead walk.
    Oh, and that exercise takes GREAT flexibility more than great strength in my opinion. Watch the form very carefully, you can see that it is a very form dependent movement.


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    Crossfitters are a different breed, IMHO.

    I mean, I have a lot of respect for them, but, well, it's not MY thing.

    When I see someone doing 50 pullups like a rabbit having sex, I'm like,

    "whoa"

    Then I'm like,

    "Man you should add some weight to those reps"

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    Flexibility is simply a demonstration of strength at a certain range of motion.



    Come on guys, you're sounding like "my dad can kick your dad's ass." There are impressive feats of strength in all sports. The guys above are no joke. Let's not take away from their accomplishments.

    Chris, one lift I'd like to see from you is body weight overhead squats for 15 reps. Let me know how long it takes to practise that "skill" ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    Flexibility is simply a demonstration of strength at a certain range of motion.



    Come on guys, you're sounding like "my dad can kick your dad's ass." There are impressive feats of strength in all sports. The guys above are no joke. Let's not take away from their accomplishments.

    Chris, one lift I'd like to see from you is body weight overhead squats for 15 reps. Let me know how long it takes to practise that "skill" ...
    You know, my shoulder flexibility is so ****ty as to preclude me from doing it. I have rather ****ed-up shoulders.

    One more time, just for clarity, I am impressed by the lifts in the video. I am just not as impressed as I am by someone lifting a tremendous load in one of the powerlifts or pure Olympic lifts. Sometimes it's hard to get your point across fully when writing. You have to be overly expressive with your words.


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    I know, I'm just breaking your balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
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    Did you watch the video above of Donnie?

    How crazy is that?

    805 lbs x 3 reps totally RAW!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    Did you watch the video above of Donnie?

    How crazy is that?

    805 lbs x 3 reps totally RAW!!!
    Pffffft... Big deal - he used a Mono-cheat. I could probably add 4 or 500 to my squat if I used that.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington View Post
    I'm not so impressed with the overhead walk.
    How about when he added the tire to it? That thing kept catching and pulling him backwards
    EDIT: Sick video Chris. 805x3 is crazy - he could have done like 6 if he wanted to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Pffffft... Big deal - he used a Mono-cheat. I could probably add 4 or 500 to my squat if I used that.
    Ahahahahaa.

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    You guys would not believe how big Donnie is when you see him in person. I finally got to meet him at the Powerstation Pro meet and the guy is just MASSIVE.
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    okay I'm gonna count to 3 and then all you people arguing can pull your e-dicks out and measure...




    I watch the CrossFit videos every day now

    I'm addicted...def. plan on switching my routine in the next few months as well because it's more functional
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingWilder View Post
    I'm addicted...def. plan on switching my routine in the next few months as well because it's more functional
    *sigh*... It's cool if you're into CrossFit and I've come around on the subject, largely because of Anthony, The CrossFit Journal, and the amazing people they've got, BUT the whole "functional" thing has got to stop...

    I know what everyone means when they use the term, but the bottom line is that you are either strong enough to do what you need to do or not and what is "functional" completely depends on those circumstances.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Very impressive, but the dangers (for me seem to outway the benefits) wrecking the shoulders. What are the benefits of walking around with a wt overhead? I'm not argueing the benefits. I know some Maki stated. Why go to such an extreme exercise to get those? When there are plenty of other exercises you can do. I have started doing some of the crossfit stuff, but some of takes a lot time to learn the skill (for me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    *sigh*... It's cool if you're into CrossFit and I've come around on the subject, largely because of Anthony, The CrossFit Journal, and the amazing people they've got, BUT the whole "functional" thing has got to stop...

    I know what everyone means when they use the term, but the bottom line is that you are either strong enough to do what you need to do or not and what is "functional" completely depends on those circumstances.
    okay, more functional to me seeing how I'm not trying to compete in bodybuilding or powerlifting
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    I'm impressed.. especially those weighted pistols... my shot knees hurt just thinking abuot it.
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    I loved the next day's video of the old man and woman doing snatches and cleans.

    the overhead pistols made me sick watching them since i can't even do an unweighted pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingWilder View Post
    okay, more functional to me seeing how I'm not trying to compete in bodybuilding or powerlifting
    I'm not trying to pick on you Wilder, but general overall bodystrength (such as what a powerlifter would have) is pretty damn "functional" whether he/she chooses to compete or not...
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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