The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Matter of fact this is just like the Smith Machine Squats vs. Real Squats...there is no comparison. You gain more by doing the harder exercise, c'mon now we all know this.
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    Manipul8tor and Shocker how reps can you guys do without weights?

    and how much are weight belts? gotta get me one of those i guess


    jell999: i meant chin ups and pull ups. not pull downs.


    Btw I love the T-bar. I rarely see people using it at my gym and if they do use it... well lets say they are getting a good shoulder work out.

    excellent exercise for back.
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    You gain more by doing the harder exercise, c'mon now we all know this.

    Thats the f*cking truth isnt it!? The harder you work in the gym, or with your diet, or with anything in life, the greater the reward.


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    Ok, as for the pulldown vs. pullups debate here's the thing, when you start getting to higher up weights, (and it is different for everyone) pullups start messing around with your shoulder joints. Striking Cobra, over at MM, he's got one of the hugest backs I've ever seen, and he can't do pullups anymore, cause once he hit about 220, they started messing with his shoulders. i'm at 170 right now, doing weighted pullups with about 25 lbs. Thing is, lately when i do them I feel them in my shoulders, even when I keep form strict, so i'm thinking that if I ever hit 200, i may be relegated to doing just pulldowns.

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    Accipter - so are you saying that lat pull downs are a suitable replacement for pull ups ? Doesn't your problem depend on the individual ?
    Coster, my reps without weight is about 17-18 wide grip
    Anyone : is there a proper explanation available for the precise differences between the two exercisees.
    Obviously pull ups are much harder, but why are they harder? Hence, why is it more beneficial?

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    In regards to what you said bro I really think that pullups are a problem with your shoulders if you do them wide-grip overhand. I mean after I started underhand shoulder-width grip I really really feel it alot more in my lats and rather than my rear delts, or rotator cuffs.


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    Pull ups are very, very hard, but that doesn't mean u shouldn't do them. If you wanna make them easier.....lose weight!!!! lol
    Seriously, if your body fat % is higher than it should be it is just like strapping on plates. Don't get discouraged. U will be able to do them with practice and dedication.

    And take off the damn straps!!!
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    Originally posted by AFreakyMutation


    And this is good??? That is the correct that you speak of?

    Try doing that on pull-ups...no,no, not gonna happen! This is a real exercise and should be a mandatory exercise on everyones back day. Those that are lazy or embarrassed won't try them, bottom line.

    Those that worry about others in the gym stay small and those that push their bodies to the utter limits regardless of how they look become MASSIVE.

    think about that, then look around in your gym and your experience at the time will show you that AFreakyMutation was right.
    Please do me a favor and read my posts before you reply to it.

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    I primarily do wide grip chins/pullups whatever you want to call em. However, I think when the lat pulldown is used properly, it is an effective exercise. I just prefer chinning.
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    Coster- Without weight, last time i tried i got 24, plus one negative that my friend helped with, that was a few months ago, Im not sure about now.. As for the price of the weight belt, they arent much at all, I went to sports authority to check some stuff out and i think i say one for like 20 bucks..

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    I think I prefer pulldowns myself. I enjoy them more and feel i can get a better squeeze in my Lats with'em. I really enjoy close-grip pulldowns too. Damn, my Lats weren't doin $hit, then I started doin these things... and BAM! They popped out.

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    I believe chins (arm supinated, palms facing you) are the most effective way to do this exercise. This places the biceps in its strongest position allowing to better stimulate the lats. If one were to put the bicep in any other position, if would just fail earlier, and once the biceps fail, you can no longer go up. It also provides for the greatest ROM.

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    Funny, because I can do more reps and feel it in my lats more with a wide, over hand grip than the grip you mentioned. Weird
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    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
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    you may not be accustomed to the movement

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    I've done both plenty of times.
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    @181- 515 SQ 295 BE 570 DL.....1375 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
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    i can do them better overhand too, i got good at them for rowing (boat) training.

    I like doing the ones that no one at the gym does.

    a good set of sternum pull ups with a straight back does it for me.

    my best advice for pullups/chins is not to let your ego get in the way of the exercise. Probably 7 or 8 times out of 10 i see people doing half a pullup for the sake of busting out higher "reps".

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    I hear ya on that one Shocker. I never see anyone go down as low as me or up as high in the gym. Full ROM!!
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    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 515 SQ 295 BE 570 DL.....1375 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    515 SQ 302.5 BE 585 DL

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