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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Ordered a bench shirt

    So i said im not waiting for my dad to give me the money, which he is going to because im broke and i bummed into my 1000 savings (which is for a truck) and got a size 52 RAGE X bench press shirt.

    its time to bench 430.

    next will be the squat suit.

    im destroying USPF nationals next year if it kills me.
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    Does incorporating a shirt into your training provide any physiological benefits, or help you with your form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumorai View Post
    Does incorporating a shirt into your training provide any physiological benefits, or help you with your form?
    it depends on the person i guess. generally you buy a shirt to move more weight.
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    Awesome! Good luck. Keep us updated on your progress once you get the shirt on.

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    About time.

    Good luck and have fun! Equipment is a whole new animal.
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    FINALLY!

    If you need any help figuring things out let us know, or just come down any Friday night.

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    i will let you guys know if i need help, the big dogs at my gym are gonna help me for now.

    52 should fit, my chest is like 48 relaxed and 50 expanded and they said to add 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    So i said im not waiting for my dad to give me the money, which he is going to because im broke and i bummed into my 1000 savings (which is for a truck) and got a size 52 RAGE X bench press shirt.

    its time to bench 430.

    next will be the squat suit.

    im destroying USPF nationals next year if it kills me.
    Congratulations!

    Inzer Rage X is an awesome bp shirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumorai View Post
    Does incorporating a shirt into your training provide any physiological benefits, or help you with your form?
    Bench shirts offer support and help to protect your shoulders, etc. They also help you to move quite a bit more weight. Your form changes a little, but as long as you lift like a powerlifter with your elbows tucked and bring the weight low on your chest, you're all set.

    My workout partner has a raw max of 350. With his Rage X, he can do in the 430 neighborhood.

    Drawbacks:
    -they dig into you like a mo-fo
    -tough to put on
    -not really you lifting all of the weight
    -you need them to be competitive

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    thanks for that dave, i guess i better stay shaved! is his PAUSED raw max 350? my touch and go is 355 and paused around 325-330.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    So i said im not waiting for my dad to give me the money, which he is going to because im broke and i bummed into my 1000 savings (which is for a truck) and got a size 52 RAGE X bench press shirt.

    its time to bench 430.

    next will be the squat suit.

    im destroying USPF nationals next year if it kills me.
    Yes!! Nice man... you're going to really "enjoy" it. But a size 52? Wow... The Titan F6 I have is a 36 but it takes a few minutes to get on (tight). Better bench 400 before I do haha...
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    well you weight like 130 dude, im 225, haha, it said add 2 to your chest size? might be to small, but ill just gain weight, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    well you weight like 130 dude, im 225, haha, it said add 2 to your chest size? might be to small, but ill just gain weight, haha.


    I weigh 219 & use a size 52 Inzer Rage X.


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    Nice work Stump. That is a great shirt.

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    willie, awesome im 225 and like 227 bloated.
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    I was using a 49 custom Rage X, now trying to figure out the 2-ply rage x size 50. My weight is around 225 but I'm all ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumprrp View Post
    thanks for that dave, i guess i better stay shaved! is his PAUSED raw max 350? my touch and go is 355 and paused around 325-330.
    His competition legal max is 350. If he titty-bounced, he's probably get a little more.

    For whatever it's worth, he's 6'2" and 250 pounds. It sounds as though your results should be pretty comparable to his.

    One thing he ran into with his Rage X was that it stretched a little more than he expected during break-in and he had to have the chest taken in about 1/2". He hasn't had to do anything with it since though, and he's had it for about a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daved931 View Post
    My workout partner has a raw max of 350. With his Rage X, he can do in the 430 neighborhood.
    Really? He only gets 80 lbs out of it? I get over 100 lbs out of single ply Titan F-6 and it's not even that tight on me.

    I find that doing plenty of raw board presses is what helps me the most. Get that lockout strength up and you'll get a lot more out of the shirt!
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    I have gotten 120lbs out of my single ply X. I'm hoping to put up 475 by the end of this training cycle and my raw PR is 285 (I put it more like 300 though since I rarely train raw and usually don't go crazy when I do.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guido View Post
    Really? He only gets 80 lbs out of it? I get over 100 lbs out of single ply Titan F-6 and it's not even that tight on me.

    I find that doing plenty of raw board presses is what helps me the most. Get that lockout strength up and you'll get a lot more out of the shirt!

    Well, bench shirts are different for all people. His tricep/lockout strength isn't super awesome, but we do a lot of board presses, especially leading up to a competition.

    Keep in mind that his Rage X is a single ply. I think you'll find that most people don't add more than 50 - 90 pounds with a single ply bench shirt. At least, that's what I've seen around the gym. I know a guy with a double denim shirt that that can't even break 300 pounds at 170 body weight. As I said, bench shirts are different for all people.
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    You can't compare # of pounds over raw with different size people. A larger person is going to get more pounds of carryover than a smaller person. It's best to compare it as a change in % of BW. My estimated raw bench is around 450 @ a BW of 280 = ~160%. In a single ply shirt 660 @ 280 = ~235%. That's a total net increase of 75% of BW. So I get about 210 pounds carryover with a single ply shirt but a person with my same technique/skill/stength level at a BW of 180 will only get 135 pounds out of that single ply shirt(assuming it was fit the same).

    Maybe I'm full of ****, but that's the way I look at it.
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    we will see how i do, i can do 6 inch lockouts with over 500 lbs and ive done 4 boards with 405 no problem.
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    Good luck with your new shirt, but remember, shirted board presses and full range presses are two completely different animals.
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    not sure, got the shirt and i was able to get it on with my moms help, not really ripping it on, it was loose on my stomach, but pretty tight on my chest and arms, not wicked tight, i couldnt even simulate a bench in it, i could only bring my arms down like 2 inches.
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