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    Tips From Experience - Lat Training

    Yesterday I did weighted pullups with a weight belt for the first time. I was using 15lbs at 5-6 reps each set. Today my lats are super sore. I had been doing lat pulldowns on the machines for a long time. Now I am probably going to stick with the weighted pullups. Before I wouldn't feel it so much in my lats if at all, but mostly in other muscles. I think the weighted pullups put your body in a position to activate the lats more than most exercises.

    Just a tip from my experience from doing regular pullups, lat pulldowns on the machine, and now weighted pullups with a weight belt.

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    I can do 1x5, 1x4, and 1x4 pullups now. I then do 2x10 lat pulldowns for a little higher rep range.

    Do you think its a good idea to keep the lat pulldowns while I'm building strength and then ultimately switch over to the pullups (weighted).

    Right now I just cannot do high enough rep range on pullups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Superman- View Post
    Yesterday I did weighted pullups with a weight belt for the first time. I was using 15lbs at 5-6 reps each set. Today my lats are super sore. I had been doing lat pulldowns on the machines for a long time. Now I am probably going to stick with the weighted pullups. Before I wouldn't feel it so much in my lats if at all, but mostly in other muscles. I think the weighted pullups put your body in a position to activate the lats more than most exercises.

    Just a tip from my experience from doing regular pullups, lat pulldowns on the machine, and now weighted pullups with a weight belt.

    Weighted pull-ups are the s***. I love em. They definately are much better then lat pull-downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samadhi_smiles View Post
    I can do 1x5, 1x4, and 1x4 pullups now. I then do 2x10 lat pulldowns for a little higher rep range.

    Do you think its a good idea to keep the lat pulldowns while I'm building strength and then ultimately switch over to the pullups (weighted).

    Right now I just cannot do high enough rep range on pullups.
    Well, IMO for me, the lat pulldowns don't work the lats like they are supposed to. I have watched bodybuilding videos and people like Desmond Miller have said that a slight various in the elbows, shoulders, or the body in general deactivates the lats and makes use of muscles you don't intend to train on the lat pulldown. From my experience, my biceps get a lot of work on the lat pulldowns and this is not my goal. So for me, when it comes to lats, I am going to stick with weighted pullups. Even if I can only do 2 or 3 reps, I feel it is better since my lats are actually doing the work.

    Quote Originally Posted by brihead301 View Post
    Weighted pull-ups are the s***. I love em. They definately are much better then lat pull-downs.
    I now agree.
    From 155 lbs to 200 lbs (PICS/VIDS INCLUDED)

    Height: 6'0"; BW: 202lbs; Age: 24; BF: ~11%
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    Bench: 250lbs; Squat: 350lbs lbs; Deadlift: 430 lbs

    Military: 111lbsx8; Dips: BWx30; Pullups: BWx10; WChestP: 360lbsx7; 45LegP: 470lbsx20; C Raise: 360lbs; BB Curl: 105lbsx3; Lat Pull: 195lbsx5

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    Yep, a belt for this exact reason is definitely on my need list for when the neurosurgeons give me the green light for lifting again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samadhi_smiles View Post
    I can do 1x5, 1x4, and 1x4 pullups now. I then do 2x10 lat pulldowns for a little higher rep range.

    Do you think its a good idea to keep the lat pulldowns while I'm building strength and then ultimately switch over to the pullups (weighted).

    Right now I just cannot do high enough rep range on pullups.
    If you can do 5 pullups, it's time to get rid of your training wheels. Do a few pullups every time you go to the gym, and add a little bit of weight (1-2 lbs to start). It's a lot easier to add weight than reps on pullups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doobs View Post
    It's a lot easier to add weight than reps on pullups.
    this is very true. I do weighted pullups with a 55-lb db, but my max reps at bodyweight are still only like 15. I would really like to be able to do 30 or 40 pullups, but adding reps is TOUGH.
    Height: 6' weight:197
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    Quote Originally Posted by radioheadhead View Post
    this is very true. I do weighted pullups with a 55-lb db, but my max reps at bodyweight are still only like 15. I would really like to be able to do 30 or 40 pullups, but adding reps is TOUGH.
    So where do you put the 55lbs db? Do you use a weight belt. I was going to go for a 25lbs plate but it was coming really close to the family jewels. So I stuck with using 10lbs and smaller. When I did 15lbs, I used a 10lbs and a 5lbs. I wish I knew about adding the reps difficulty. I have been stuck at 10 reps at BW for like a year. I stick to as perfect form as I can too. Sure I can cheat and rock away like 12 or 13. But will complete down and up's, I can still only do 10.
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    Bench: 250lbs; Squat: 350lbs lbs; Deadlift: 430 lbs

    Military: 111lbsx8; Dips: BWx30; Pullups: BWx10; WChestP: 360lbsx7; 45LegP: 470lbsx20; C Raise: 360lbs; BB Curl: 105lbsx3; Lat Pull: 195lbsx5

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Superman- View Post
    So where do you put the 55lbs db?
    between the feets! Same way with dips. Works best with hex dumbbells, the ones at my gym have the rubber heads which helps your shoes grip the db.
    Height: 6' weight:197
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    bench: 280 x 1
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    goal: 225 @ < 10% bodyfat

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    Are you talking about underhand or overhand pullups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioheadhead View Post
    between the feets! Same way with dips. Works best with hex dumbbells, the ones at my gym have the rubber heads which helps your shoes grip the db.
    I lay the plate across my lap, but then again I'm using plates bigger than 25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doobs View Post
    It's a lot easier to add weight than reps on pullups.
    For some people.

    Some people are the opposite. Figuring out whats works for you is best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious View Post
    Are you talking about underhand or overhand pullups?
    Pullups are overhand by default I thought. Chinups are underhand. I only do pullups.
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    Bench: 250lbs; Squat: 350lbs lbs; Deadlift: 430 lbs

    Military: 111lbsx8; Dips: BWx30; Pullups: BWx10; WChestP: 360lbsx7; 45LegP: 470lbsx20; C Raise: 360lbs; BB Curl: 105lbsx3; Lat Pull: 195lbsx5

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhlfan View Post
    I lay the plate across my lap, but then again I'm using plates bigger than 25
    how do you have a 'lap' while doing chinups? and I am using a 55 db, not a plate.
    Height: 6' weight:197
    BF%: ~12%?

    bench: 280 x 1
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    dead: 360 x 1

    goal: 225 @ < 10% bodyfat

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    Quote Originally Posted by radioheadhead View Post
    how do you have a 'lap' while doing chinups? and I am using a 55 db, not a plate.
    Thats what I was thinking too. Probably some sick pullup form or something.
    From 155 lbs to 200 lbs (PICS/VIDS INCLUDED)

    Height: 6'0"; BW: 202lbs; Age: 24; BF: ~11%
    155lbs [07-01-06] 176lbs [09-14-06] 179lbs [09-21-06] 182lbs [10-02-06] 184lbs [10-18-06] 186lbs [10-23-06] 187lbs [11-08-06] 189lbs [11-19-06] 190lbs [11-21-06] 191lbs [12-21-06] 194lbs [12-31-06]

    Bench: 250lbs; Squat: 350lbs lbs; Deadlift: 430 lbs

    Military: 111lbsx8; Dips: BWx30; Pullups: BWx10; WChestP: 360lbsx7; 45LegP: 470lbsx20; C Raise: 360lbs; BB Curl: 105lbsx3; Lat Pull: 195lbsx5

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    I think he meant bench dips
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