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    Is the ability to have six-pack genetic?

    Having a six-pack is not high on my priority list. Eventually I would like to have a flat stomach but that is a whole 'nother thing.

    I read months and months ago when I briefly got back into some lifting, from a book called Weight Training for Dummies, or fitness for dummies or someething like that. The lady that wrote said it was a myth that anyone, without enough hard work can get a six-pack. She said it was all genetic. That if one did not have the genes, one could not get a six-pack no matter how hard they tried. What do you guys think of this?
    To me, it just does not make sense how if someone brings their bf% down super low, and they still can't have a six pack. But that's is with my limitied knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumorai View Post
    Having a six-pack is not high on my priority list. Eventually I would like to have a flat stomach but that is a whole 'nother thing.

    I read months and months ago when I briefly got back into some lifting, from a book called Weight Training for Dummies, or fitness for dummies or someething like that. The lady that wrote said it was a myth that anyone, without enough hard work can get a six-pack. She said it was all genetic. That if one did not have the genes, one could not get a six-pack no matter how hard they tried. What do you guys think of this?
    To me, it just does not make sense how if someone brings their bf% down super low, and they still can't have a six pack. But that's is with my limitied knowledge
    Genetic in the sense some have 4, 6, and 8 groups of muscles in the ab wall. Not so much genetic as saying no one can get visible abs. All humans have abs like any other muscle. So they are there for everyone, you just got to have the proper diet and routine going.



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    I blame everything I haven't achieved without hard work on genetics. Helps me sleep better at night.

    Genetics are the scapegoat. Anybody can get abs to show but it'll just take some working harder than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeYield View Post
    I blame everything I haven't achieved without hard work on genetics. Helps me sleep better at night.

    Genetics are the scapegoat. Anybody can get abs to show but it'll just take some working harder than others.
    Anybody can get abs to show..but whether you have a six pack or an eight pack or even a 4 pack IS genetic. Arnold is probably the best example of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    Anybody can get abs to show..but whether you have a six pack or an eight pack or even a 4 pack IS genetic. Arnold is probably the best example of this.
    Nah man Arnold was just so cocky he figured he didn't need the other two.

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    actually, the 6 pack is not genetics, the 8 pack is. biologically speaking, every person actually has an 8 pack, the only problem is that only certain people can actually obtain it, you have to have amazing genetics plus still do a lot of work to obtain them. look at a lot of the pro body builders, most don't actually have 8 packs, most only have 6. and you can't say that they don't train hard enough to get to an 8 pack.

    but really 6 packs are just having a low enough bf %, abs have always been and will always be diet. but at the same time you still work on them before you lose the fat, or else there won't be a ripped 6 pack once the fat is gone.
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    I hate the statement at six packs are all diet.

    If you are cut to the bone and don't have the proper muscle built you won't see anything but bone, to build nice looking abs I feel they have to be worked either directly or as supportive in heavier lifts such as the squat/deadlift.

    Take two people at the same bodyfat and have one work weighted ab circuits ontop of his normal workout hes going to have better improvements in his core then the other who isn't.


    You will never see your six pack without proper diet but they still shouldn't be ignored as a muscle group and although offtopic I hate the statement "six packs are all diet"

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    cool, thanks for the replies everyone. I look forward to reading more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkies View Post
    I hate the statement at six packs are all diet.

    If you are cut to the bone and don't have the proper muscle built you won't see anything but bone, to build nice looking abs I feel they have to be worked either directly or as supportive in heavier lifts such as the squat/deadlift.

    Take two people at the same bodyfat and have one work weighted ab circuits ontop of his normal workout hes going to have better improvements in his core then the other who isn't.


    You will never see your six pack without proper diet but they still shouldn't be ignored as a muscle group and although offtopic I hate the statement "six packs are all diet"
    Well... 6-packs are more diet than anything else. Your not going to have ripped nice arms if you dont work out, but in many cases if your diet is right and you play sports, you will have a six pack. Many people dont even need to play sports, just be lean.

    Black people when lean ALWAYS seem to have a 6 pack despite the fact that they dont work out.

    But I do agree that a little isolation can go a very long way in terms of ab development. At the end of a heavy lifting day, I can sometimes feel that my abs are wrecked. But on a lighter day, I like to dedicate 1-2 sets of weighted abs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkies View Post
    I hate the statement at six packs are all diet.

    If you are cut to the bone and don't have the proper muscle built you won't see anything but bone, to build nice looking abs I feel they have to be worked either directly or as supportive in heavier lifts such as the squat/deadlift.

    Take two people at the same bodyfat and have one work weighted ab circuits ontop of his normal workout hes going to have better improvements in his core then the other who isn't.


    You will never see your six pack without proper diet but they still shouldn't be ignored as a muscle group and although offtopic I hate the statement "six packs are all diet"
    if you read both posts before yours me and superman both explained that you still need to work on your abs or they won't show anyway once you lose the fat.

    Also, does bodyfat percentage usually need to be at a certain number before abs are visible? Lower than 10% perhaps?
    pretty much if you are below 10 percent you should be able to see your abs (pending they are there in the first place). if you want a complete 6 pack though, you would need to probably be around 6 % or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockhams_Razor View Post
    if you read both posts before yours me and superman both explained that you still need to work on your abs or they won't show anyway once you lose the fat.



    pretty much if you are below 10 percent you should be able to see your abs (pending they are there in the first place). if you want a complete 6 pack though, you would need to probably be around 6 % or so
    lol way to call me out bro but I was actually responding to a post that was made after both you and supermans, apparently you lacked the detail to express your point strongly enough.

    Sorry to squabble on your thread Sumorai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkies View Post
    Sorry to squabble on your thread Sumorai
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    How they appear is genetic. The ability to have abs is not genetic. That's a result of hard work and low body fat percentage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    Anybody can get abs to show..but whether you have a six pack or an eight pack or even a 4 pack IS genetic. Arnold is probably the best example of this.
    Quote Originally Posted by sCaRz*Of*PaiN View Post
    How they appear is genetic. The ability to have abs is not genetic. That's a result of hard work and low body fat percentage.
    Songsangnim, Scarz had the right of it. I wasn't talking about how they looked, just the fact that they're there and shedding the fat. If we could shape muscle we'd all have extremely large upper pecs and Valentino biceps.
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    So basically, with enough hard work(and proper work) anyone can have visible abs. However, the *number* of visible abs, is genetic.
    Also, does bodyfat percentage usually need to be at a certain number before abs are visible? Lower than 10% perhaps?






    Quote Originally Posted by HomeYield View Post
    Songsangnim, Scarz had the right of it. I wasn't talking about how they looked, just the fact that they're there and shedding the fat. If we could shape muscle we'd all have extremely large upper pecs and Valentino biceps.
    *bold mine*

    I was thinking about starting another thread about this, but since it has been mentioned, I will view this as an opportunity:

    Is there really a such thing as "upper" or "lower" pecs? For training purposes can upper or lower be targeted? I am guessing...."no", and that from your post you would agree. But then again, if they cannot be targeted, why do incline or declines...hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeYield View Post
    Songsangnim, Scarz had the right of it. I wasn't talking about how they looked, just the fact that they're there and shedding the fat. If we could shape muscle we'd all have extremely large upper pecs and Valentino biceps.


    Oh I agree with you and Scarz, I was just clarifying. The OP asked if a six-pack was genetic and while the ability to show abs does come with a low bodyfat% it doesn't mean one will have six clearly visible muscles in the stomach once their bodyfat drops to a low enough level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songsangnim View Post
    ...while the ability to show abs does come with a low bodyfat% it doesn't mean one will have six clearly visible muscles in the stomach once their bodyfat drops to a low enough level.
    So how developed do one's abs have to be? That is a general question, I know. But that's how I intended it, so you could have plenty of room to answer how you see fit. Furthermore, how intense must the training be? Will a moderate amount of crunches every other day suffice? Or must there be intense, weighted exercise? I am not going to define "moderate" or "intense" I will let you(or whoever) do that.


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    The more I look at some of those really low bf pics, the more it reminds of the portrayal of Rogue's powers in the X-men movies when she touches someone.
    lol I was going to say something else too along those lines, but I will refrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumorai View Post
    So how developed do one's abs have to be? That is a general question, I know. But that's how I intended it, so you could have plenty of room to answer how you see fit. Furthermore, how intense must the training be? Will a moderate amount of crunches every other day suffice? Or must there be intense, weighted exercise? I am not going to define "moderate" or "intense" I will let you(or whoever) do that.


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    The more I look at some of those really low bf pics, the more it reminds of the portrayal of Rogue's powers in the X-men movies when she touches someone.
    lol I was going to say something else too along those lines, but I will refrain.
    Well you need low BF% to begin with. It doesn't matter how developed your abs are, you can not see them if they are hidden under a blanket of flab.

    Secondly your abs are a muscle like every other muscle no? Train them the same way as you train other muscles. Now once you develop your abs whether you have a 4 pack or six pack or eight pack...THAT part is due to genetics. As has already been said in this thread, and as I and Messers Scarz, HomeYield and Belial (to name just a few) have stated many times (thinks with horror-tinged nostalgia of the numberous upper chest threads) you can't shape muscle.
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    If start an upper chest thread I'll ban you. Do a search. Incline and decline involve the shoulders more or less. Again search before you start a thread on that topic.


    As far as the specific bodyfat percentage one needs to be to see abs, it's determinant upon lean body mass. Like Jinkies was saying, if the ab muscles themselves aren't there they won't show. Even if you get to 4% or lower, if you're 115lbs at 6', you probaby won't have abs. Starving kids in Africa don't have those shredded physiques we all desire. The higher your lean body mass, generally the higher the bodyfat percentage can be for one to see abs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeYield View Post
    If start an upper chest thread I'll ban you. Do a search. Incline and decline involve the shoulders more or less. Again search before you start a thread on that topic.
    If I suspect a topic has been covered before and is common, then I will do a search before I post. I'll use the built in search feature, or go to google and type: "www.wannabebigforums.com blah blah blah". I would have definitely done a search for this topic before I posted.

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    Thanks guys some really good information. I have learned a lot. lol...I guess I had a few wrong ideas about abs. Before my late teens, I used to think that visible abs were the result of abdominal exercises like sit-ups. Then in my late teens I went to a gym briefly and the gym owner told me it was all diet and cardio which brought BF down low enough so they can be seen. Now I know that there is truth in both ideas. The amount of "mass" or hypertrophy for the abs required to show, must not be very much though right? Because "teh Brad Pitt" in teh fight club, had very little muscle mass.(lol btw I do not want to look like brad pitt)
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    i got to about 6% bf and had very little abdominal deff. what's up with that? i had great def everywhere else but barley noticable abs.. only in really good light could i see 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
    i got to about 6% bf and had very little abdominal deff. what's up with that? i had great def everywhere else but barley noticable abs.. only in really good light could i see 6
    You probably weren't truly at 6%. I measured 8.7% on a 3 site a couple of years ago and I wasn't anywhere close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    You probably weren't truly at 6%. I measured 8.7% on a 3 site a couple of years ago and I wasn't anywhere close.
    Agreed.

    And abs are all diet. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    You probably weren't truly at 6%. I measured 8.7% on a 3 site a couple of years ago and I wasn't anywhere close.
    I was measurd with calipers by 3 different people, using both analog readings and the scale on the calipers. Then tried the electrical implulse readings a few times through out the day and all came out the same. I don't think I was 6 but after 8-10 different measurements over a few days they all came out the same. I eventually gave up, but I never understood the discrepency between the readings and what i saw in the mirror
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