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Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites

    House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
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    [Update as of Thurs. 8:30pm: See this article for a response to criticisms from Rep. Nick Lampson, the bill's author.]

    The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a bill saying that anyone offering an open Wi-Fi connection to the public must report illegal images including "obscene" cartoons and drawings--or face fines of up to $300,000.

    That broad definition would cover individuals, coffee shops, libraries, hotels, and even some government agencies that provide Wi-Fi. It also sweeps in social-networking sites, domain name registrars, Internet service providers, and e-mail service providers such as Hotmail and Gmail, and it may require that the complete contents of the user's account be retained for subsequent police inspection.

    Before the House vote, which was a lopsided 409 to 2, Rep. Nick Lampson (D-Texas) held a press conference on Capitol Hill with John Walsh, the host of America's Most Wanted and Ernie Allen, head of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

    Allen said the legislation--called the Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act, or SAFE Act--will "ensure better reporting, investigation, and prosecution of those who use the Internet to distribute images of illegal child pornography."

    The SAFE Act represents the latest in Congress' efforts--some of which have raised free speech and privacy concerns--to crack down on sex offenders and Internet predators. One bill introduced a year ago was even broader and would have forced Web sites and blogs to report illegal images. Another would require sex offenders to supply e-mail addresses and instant messaging user names.

    Wednesday's vote caught Internet companies by surprise: the Democratic leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure that's supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since the earlier version and was not available for public review.

    Not one Democrat opposed the SAFE Act. Two Republicans did: Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning presidential candidate from Texas, and Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia.

    This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the illegal images themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service" and "remote computing service" providers already have some reporting requirements under existing law too.)

    The definition of which images qualify as illegal is expansive. It includes obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and videos of children being molested. But it also includes photographs of fully clothed minors in overly "lascivious" poses, and certain obscene visual depictions including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called hentai).

    Someone providing a Wi-Fi connection probably won't have to worry about the SAFE Act's additional requirement of retaining all the suspect's personal files if the illegal images are "commingled or interspersed" with other data. But that retention requirement does concern Internet service providers, which would be in a position to comply. So would e-mail service providers, including both Web-based ones and companies that offer POP or IMAP services.

    "USISPA has long supported harmonized reporting of child pornography incidents to the (NCMEC). ISPs report over 30,000 incidents a year, and we work closely with NCMEC and law enforcement on the investigation," Kate Dean, head of the U.S. Internet Service Provider Association, said on Wednesday. "We remain concerned, however, that industry would be required to retain images of child pornography after reporting them to NCMEC. It seems like the better approach would be to require the private sector to turn over illicit images and not retain copies."

    Failure to comply with the SAFE Act would result in an initial fine of up to $150,000, and fines of up to $300,000 for subsequent offenses. That's the stick. There's a carrot as well: anyone who does comply is immune from civil lawsuits and criminal prosecutions.

    There are two more points worth noting. First, the vote on the SAFE Act seems unusually rushed. It's not entirely clear that the House Democratic leadership really meant this legislation to slap new restrictions on hundreds of thousands of Americans and small businesses who offer public wireless connections. But they'll nevertheless have to abide by the new rules if senators go along with this idea (and it's been a popular one in the Senate).

    The second point is that Internet providers already are required by another federal law to report child pornography sightings to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is in turn charged with forwarding that report to the appropriate police agency. So there's hardly an emergency, which makes the Democrats' rush for a vote more inexplicable than usual.


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    ok YOUR point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGraft View Post
    ok YOUR point is?
    lol 2 posts and banned, that's gotta be a record


    If the main points here are not incredibly obvious then just go find a thread you can understand
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeity View Post
    Before the House vote, which was a lopsided 409 to 2.
    Looks like we got a couple sickos in congress...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdeity View Post
    lol 2 posts and banned, that's gotta be a record


    If the main points here are not incredibly obvious then just go find a thread you can understand
    Even the spammers get at least 3 ads in before they are banned hehe.

    It seems like America is killing what we fight other countries to 'protect' - freedom. It will be interesting where we will all be at in 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Superman- View Post
    Even the spammers get at least 3 ads in before they are banned hehe.
    but they usually don't come to general chat and act like clowns lol!

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    It seems like America is killing what we fight other countries to 'protect' - freedom. It will be interesting where we will all be at in 5 years.
    Yeah it will be. I'm extremely curious to see just how far internet regulation will go - that town where that girl killed herself cuz of her myspace thing (not because of, the 13 y/o who thought it was this kid 'josh', but it was really a bitch mother down the street messing with her, then hung herself), that town is already enacting some online harrassment things, I haven't gotten much of a chance to find out too much specifics.


    Any small business owners here have wifi? What do you think about this, being responsible for the traffic on your network/connection?
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    Wow.... color me disappointed. The "obscenity" legislation is mind-bendingly awful. My idea of what is obscene will very likely differ from the person next to me and "I'll know it when I see it" is the douche bag answer coming from a judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Superman- View Post
    Even the spammers get at least 3 ads in before they are banned hehe.

    It seems like America is killing what we fight other countries to 'protect' - freedom. It will be interesting where we will all be at in 5 years.
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    I agree completely with the impetus for the legislation, but as someone who has created websites, forums, and other online media, some of the generality about the wording makes me nervous. For the most part, it's okay. It seems like they really just want to go after communication providers who knowingly ignor the nasty stuff.... but I fear that some of the very general wording means it could be used to go after providers (a site owner can be considered a provider if they offer interactive content, which includes forums with image attachments, BTW) who really didn't know, and/or didn't procure the required information from users. In other words, if some overzealous prosecuter finds out that someone under 18 attached an image here on WBB and WBB didn't gather name, email, phone number, etc from the user, will WBB get fined $300,000?
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    It's pretty clear that Congress has no idea how the internet works. You guys remember the whole "series of tubes" thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d'Anconia View Post
    It's pretty clear that Congress has no idea how the internet works. You guys remember the whole "series of tubes" thing?
    lol that came up a million times in the comments where I found that article
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    Wow is all I can say and they even took it one stop further by making the definition of obscene so broad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwiloMike View Post
    Wow.... color me disappointed. The "obscenity" legislation is mind-bendingly awful. My idea of what is obscene will very likely differ from the person next to me and "I'll know it when I see it" is the douche bag answer coming from a judge.
    Ya, I can't wait to find out what a 70 yr old guy in a suit thinks is obscene. I mean will Rotten.com be removed, what about the Porn industry? Not to hit home here, but What if they outlaw gay marriage, will that be obscene if you got pics of a commitment ceremony.

    I pray that this is only directed at child porn, but I guess those pics of my own kid in the tub will get me 5 years and a $300k fine.
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    it's written to seem like it's just a simple child porn preventive measure, that'd be used solely for that. Given the loose language used, and how things almost always end up when they're written like this, I think we can all see a pretty clear picture of what, under the worst circumstances, this bill would allow for.
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    Also take notice on how little serious coverage the bill has gotten. You'd think that at least one news station would cover a serious violation of our privacy like this but no... they support government regulation because in their own industry it gives them the chance to lobby the politicians and keep media under the control of only a few very large corporations.
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    is it just me, or did this:
    Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, HR 1955
    get even remotely the amount of press it deserved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d'Anconia View Post
    It's pretty clear that Congress has no idea how the internet works. You guys remember the whole "series of tubes" thing?
    Tubes?! That's obscene!

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