You martial artists.
Do you find that the better fighters in martial arts are usually the one's who believe in and abide by/follow the philosophical and spiritual practices and beliefs of the art?
Not at all. I do know many very spiritually disciplined eastern-oriented fighters that very strongly follow the guidelines set down in their arts, but I know plenty of caucasian guys that fart in the dojo, don't know their arts' customs and still clean house.
I'm sort of in the middle- I bow in the dojo/ring (no need to offend someone when it can be ameliorated by a .5 second bow), but not with a huge bend, and I can recite the basic doctrine of any arts I practice; I wouldn't, however, say I devoutly follow them. Some have some worth, some don't.
I like to think I'm pretty proficient in the things I do.
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No, that type of stuff is bull**** in my opinion. All the bowing, etc etc, it's all ridiculous and kind of embarrassing if you're the one that has to do it. It's like "hi I'm a tool, I'm going to bow down to my instructor to show respect, even though I don't know him, and I could probably just flip out and kick his ass without any skill".
Think of how many top MMA fighters do that type of stuff. I'd be willing to bet a very small percentage, simply because you don't need it to be a good fighter. What you do need, however, is technique.
EDIT: Plus all of the "good" fighters don't practice solely one art. To be a good fighter you must be well rounded, which means practicing more than one MA.
Last edited by AstronautJones; 12-14-2004 at 11:08 PM.
I don't even go to a dojo or any of that gi wearin bowin down to some old guy stuff, I learn elsewhere...
traditional is still very effective
untill youve seen an old keeble 50kg man throw around a 130kg man around like a rag doll whos been doing martial arts for 20years you wont understand
theres alot of martial arts out there, cant really stereotype
Ahh. No doubt you speak of Mr. Miyagi Overdosesan.Originally Posted by OverDose
I think the best ones I see are the ones who understand the traditional concepts but aren't chained to them so much they can't adapt, learn, and apply something new.
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No. Those are frills of a martial art.
What martial arts comes down to is the ability to destroy someone else.
You don't have to have levitation, meditation or honour to do that.
I bow and touch gloves to show respect for those I'm training with and sparring against. You gotta make it look cool!
Interesting since you do BJJ. A lot of BJJ guys I know are very polite and respectful, I have bowed and shook hands with them before going full contact grappling.Originally Posted by AstronautJones
Please note Wanderlei Silva bowing, praying and kissing the ring floor after his victory over Quinton Jackson.
Otherwise I agree.
I suppose I should have clarified a bit more. Respect is a good thing, so long as it is earned rather than assumed.Originally Posted by PizDoff
Wanderlei praying after a match just means he's religious. It doesn't mean he's praying to the guy that trained him for the fight/invented his style of fighting.
Last edited by AstronautJones; 12-15-2004 at 03:11 AM.
anyone who truly believes and follows the philosophy would do everything they could NOT to fight. Anyone who is trying to fight will probably see that as a weakness and underestimate them, so that when their back is against the wall and they have to strike, it takes the provoker by surprise
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It doesn't have anything to do with spirituality. That's just the culture of the martial artist. Without the MA, they would be doing most of those things anyway. MA is all about physical conditioning and MOST importantly, mental focus.
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I saw a documentary about martial arts, where they showed 2 old kung fu masters in China having a arranged fight, and it basically looked like children fighting, they pulled clothing and ripped eachothers hair and tumbled around on the floor, rather embarrasing, it was aired on discovery. old kung fu masters....yeah..real masters, shows what fighting air will do for a 100years.
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Pizdoff it puts things in perspective, that martial arts, have their stars too, not everybody one who learns it becomes it.
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I bow before stepping on the mat only because my instructors have told us to do so. I do however respect my instructors because they are the ones who are in authority. I came to learn from them, thus I must show respect to them. They have also earned it as well.No, that type of stuff is bull**** in my opinion. All the bowing, etc etc, it's all ridiculous and kind of embarrassing if you're the one that has to do it. It's like "hi I'm a tool, I'm going to bow down to my instructor to show respect, even though I don't know him, and I could probably just flip out and kick his ass without any skill".
What gets me the most is people who are involved in MA and abuse their power. They are the ones who show no repsect in class and act very arrogant when someone new shows up.
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I agree with a lot of what's been said here.
At the black belt classes in the karate org. I used to be in, we used to have discussions at the end. They were big on philosophizing and talking about karate. I would have prefered to have practiced more.
Anyways, the topic of the day was "what is karate?"
Everyone gave answers like "karate is self-discipline, respect, dilligence, self-improvement, dedication, humility, etc."
I disagreed. I thought that karate was punching, kicking, and otherwise hurting people.
I tried to explain why I felt that was the definition of karate, not that other stuff, but was never able to put it in such a way that they understood what I was trying to say.
I don't train there anymore.
(BTW: That org. has some great fighters. Make no mistake. I just think as a whole they waste a lot of time on pointless stuff. The philosophy isn't for me.)
Well I weighed about 170 and I threw some guy around like a ragdoll that was 260+
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