I've been doing the wbb 1 for 15+ weeks now. I was about 130 when I started and I'm about 130 still. I'm more toned, but I'm getting nowhere with size. I know the zeitgeist here is "if you eat more, it will come" but I don't have it in me to just up and double my food intake. I've added high carb/protein drinks after workouts since starting wbb but I'd only consider the results to be maintenance rather than gains.
I'm hearing guys say that they were stuck at 150 lbs forever and then started doing negatives and now they're at 230 lbs. I don't have all the info on other variables like a change in diet, etc., but they didn't seem to think that it was a major thing. What I've read about negatives is that you NEED a spotter to do it. So does this mean I need a spotter for every single exercise I do? I don't really see people getting spotted for rows, curls, kickbacks, etc. They spot on bench press all day, but I'm not seeing it anywhere else really.
From what I hear about negatives, it's completely different than what I'm used to. For example, I don't want to spend a chest day doing bench press negatives and then go home. But to do negatives, you have to do the exercise quite a bit. Where does that leave room for the other things I'm doing in wbb? Do I really need a spotter to do calves? Wtf? Or should negatives only be done on certain muscle group exercises?
I'm half inclined to think that techniques are relative. WBB and eating a lot works for the majority of people here so they CAN swear by it. Negatives work for other people, and I'd bet that if there is a forum who subscribes to negatives, it will be filled with a bunch of guys who swear by that. This goes for any type of workout.
Is it all actually just a matter of finding out what type works for you? There really is no universal regiment?
You need to research more on negative training.
Eating to get bigger is universal. I.E. you have to eat more to get bigger.
Last edited by ZenMonkey; 03-19-2008 at 04:38 PM.
The way you train only effects your strength. The way you eat effects your size. If you say you "don't have it in you to up and double your intake" then maybe you don't want it bad enough. Getting huge isn't easy. Take it from me, I used to be that same way. Now I eat until I wanna puke non stop all day. Then I eat more and then go to the gym. Doesn't happen over night and it doesn't happen without hard work.
"Fine, if I'm not allowed to light it on fire, can my imaginary friend?"
I find it interesting that anytime I hear about people getting bigger, it's common knowledge that work out with weights and what not. That is always the fact that is bolded and highlighted. I never hear about "oh by the way, I dramatically increased the amount of food i was eating at the time." I guess everybody forgets to leave that detail out.
Adding about 1000 calories has done absolutely nothing at all. If I have to force feed myself enough to satisfy a horse, I think I might be more inclined to just stick with what I have. It didn't occur to me that becoming a glutton was the secret ingredient to growing muscle (even just a little more).
It seems like there is a threshold I'm not hitting like it doesn't count until you surpass x amount of calories. I'd even be happy just gaining about 20 lbs and working out, but my point is that even after adding food and drink, I've gained absolutely no weight and size with that variable. So saying "eat more" doesn't really compute. Is there anything special about the way you eat?
Not any of the random people I've talked to have ever thought to mention this. It's obviously very important.
Last edited by mirk; 03-19-2008 at 04:59 PM.
You say you added 1000 calories, but how do you know that is enough? I have to eat 3500-4200 calories, around 360 carbs, 180 fat, and 180 protein, a day to gain weight. That's grams.
I drink a lot of chocolcate milk and meal replacement drinks to get the calories up in my required range. I could never eat enough healthy food to make it 4000 a day.
Last edited by LilHillbilly; 03-19-2008 at 05:04 PM.
So why do I get 0% mass gains after increasing intake by 65%? I was getting about 1500 calories per day, and then I made myself do about 2300.
Is it possible that progress can be lost if you dip below normal? What if I miss meals one day and drop back to 1500 for 1 or 2 days? Did I just throw progress away? Maybe that's the air in the tire that people are not aware of.
It is hard to eat enough healthy food to get your daily calories above what how many you burn. I added a 1400 calorie shake to help me get there. You just have to sit down and chow down. Calories in > Calories out = Weight gain. If you're not gaining, eat more.
"Fine, if I'm not allowed to light it on fire, can my imaginary friend?"
Eating more is really what it takes. Have a search on the forums for recipies for shakes if your struggling. They won't fill you up like solid stuff but will get you the calories.
Last edited by MJay; 03-19-2008 at 05:11 PM.
Take my word for it, because I was 110 pounds before I started lifting weight. When I first started, I made very few gains because I didn't eat enough. It was not until last year that I hit 130 lbs due to eating 3000 calories a day. Once I hit around 125-130 lbs I had to increase my intake to close to 4000 calories a day to continue to make gains.
As for those who have supplied data about your experience, I do appreciate it.
Last edited by mirk; 03-19-2008 at 05:15 PM.
The're getting annoyed because you are not listening, only trying to refute their input.
get a jar of peanut butter....eat it with everything... i bet u 10 bux ull get bigger
Well I guess it wouldn't kill me to start having breakfast everyday. Maybe skipping that opportunity every single day isn't helping. Let's just forget about the whole thing.
Breakfast really is the most important meal of the day, missing that is a problem in itself, remember your body is without food the longest length of time when you sleep and it should be replenished ASAP.
"A wise man never knows all, only fools know everything."
Mirk, your problem is your not committed. Gaining weight takes commitment and diligence, not just in the gym but in your diet, too. You seem do be a little uneducated on what exactly it takes to make your muscles grow. Work + Food + Rest = Muscle. It really is that simple. When I'm bulking, I'm taking in 3500 calories a day, at LEAST (and I'm not a big guy). If I don't, I feel guilty, like I've somehow cheated myself. This is the mentality you must have, otherwise you're stuck with what you got. It becomes a habit, and once you see yourself changing your desire will increase. Grab your balls and put in the work. BTW, it doesn't mean turning into a glutton if you up your calories. You can still eat healthy foods to reach your goal if you're willing to get the recommended three shakes a day. I use Cytogainer, it's worked wonders for me. Also, fish is one of the best sources of protein and it is also super healthy for you and something most people lack in their diet. Natural peanut butter is loaded with healthy fats that your brain and heart crave. It's almost a guarantee that by increasing your carb intake (in the form of real food, bran, oatmeal, fruits) you consequently increase you fiber which is probably the most important thing for your overall health. I'll stop here.
Great read on the 10 top ten myths of Bodybuilding nutrition by Dave Barr (T-Nation).
Weigh yourself once a week and set the goal of having the scale read one extra pound each week. If you weigh in and don't hit your number eat food and drink milk/juice until you hit the number but make sure that you hit that new number each week.
In ten weeks you will weigh ten pounds more than today.
Last edited by nhlfan; 03-19-2008 at 08:08 PM.
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