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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    I know that AllieMai runs, and if anyone else is into it you should check out the new issue of SELF. There is an awesome running workout that is supposed to burn 600 calories before breakfast

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    600 calories of fat or muscle?

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    1. Don't do cardio before breakfast.

    2. Don't read "Self" for fitness tips.

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    1. Do NOT listen to what Cackerot says.

    2. Just becuase its a magazine does not mean it doesn't have some substance to it. Look at the end of the article for scientific references to find validity in what they are saying.
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    1. Cardio before breakfast is a proven way to lose fat.

    2. Don't read something on the internet then assume what you've read is right.


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    Umm....wouldn't the 600 cals allegedly burned depend on the relative mass of whomever is doing the workout?

    regardless....i've got issues with Self magazine and their workouts anyways...so if it sounds good give it a shot.
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    Originally posted by Tryska
    Umm....wouldn't the 600 cals allegedly burned depend on the relative mass of whomever is doing the workout?

    regardless....i've got issues with Self magazine and their workouts anyways...so if it sounds good give it a shot.
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    *lol*

    so if i weigh 80 lbs, and only burn a 100 cals in one cardio session, a stack will make up the other 500 cals in order for the mag article to be true?


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    Tryska, you lost me. I don't get what you are stating.

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    Not stating, breeze...clowning. hee hee.

    No...i've got issues with Self Magazine, Shape Magazine, and pretty much any "Get thinner thighs in 3 days, following our special spot reducing routine while eating 300 calories a day" article-touting magazine.

    Actually shape and self are better than most out there, but they recycle wrong advice on a constant basis and blatantly contradict each other and themselves as the year pushes on....


    anyway...i don't think a magazine should put forth the advice that you can burn "600 cals before breakfast" following this routine, when that's not necessarily true....

    grante di'm nit-picking on semantics....but that's today's mood, and i'm a waoman and it's my preprogative...*lol*
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    "grante di'm nit-picking on semantics....but that's today's mood, and i'm a waoman and it's my preprogative...*lol*"

    Who are we to argue with a woman. let's hear it for Women Power.

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    Originally posted by breeze

    Who are we to argue with a woman. let's hear it for Women Power.
    that's right..never argue with a woman....*lol* there's no way you will win, or feel good about winning, or ever hear the matter put to rest, at the very least. tuttut

    ha ha
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    Originally posted by Tryska


    that's right..never argue with a woman....*lol* there's no way you will win, or feel good about winning, or ever hear the matter put to rest, at the very least. tuttut

    ha ha
    Damn evil creature tuttut
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    haha right on Tryska Yah 600 probably not, but it is a good workout, and while SELF is probably not the BEST womens fitness mag it does have some good articles from time to time

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    *burns every copy of SELF in the world*

    *Runs down to SELF headquarters and beats the senior editor senseless with a barbell*



    Dammit, 95% of "fitness" magazines suck. SELF is one of them.

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    Ha ha...belial, ever the voice of reason....

    but...hitting people with barbells? tuttut - dumbbells allow for a better arc of motion..*lol*

    Lizzybear....If you think it's a good workout go for it....what can it hurt right? I obviously haven't read it so i don't know....right now the only fitness mag I get is M&F Hers, but that's more for the workouts then for anything else....well there's another one, but it's a bit obscure and I can't remember the name. great to see you on the board though!
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    I really don't think magazines like "Self" are pure junk.
    Most of the stuff in there you have to be careful about taking to heart but if you restrict yourself from learning just because a magazine has been deemed "junk" then you are only taking away from being able to better yourself.
    I can pick up any magazine and read it and learn something new. It's all about how you look at things.
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    Yes, but the signal to noise ratio is often so out of whack that you need to have a pretty good knowledge of the lesson they're trying to teach to determine what's BS. Considering the relatively inexperienced person the articles are often meant to target (Not to generalize, but how many truly hard core read self for fitness tips?) it's hard to imagine that picking up an issue would ever be worth my while. True, every now and then an interesting article on health tips, functional foods, etc., will come along, but if i want specialized tips, I'd either go to a website, or a truly focused, more advanced publication. Just my feeling, along with many others'.

    I think we both agree that intellectual arrogance is almost worse than ignorance, yet every now and then it may be called for.
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    "1. Do NOT listen to what Cackerot says."

    Why not? We should all listen to you, instead? Not everybody takes a "synthetic" route in doing things, you know.

    "1. Cardio before breakfast is a proven way to lose fat."

    So is an all celery stick diet. You'll lose fat, but is it a good thing to do?

    "2. Don't read something on the internet then assume what you've read is right."

    That's good advice. Always do more research, and like spidey said - check references.
    Last edited by Cackerot69; 06-14-2001 at 09:58 AM.

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    Okay Mr Rot...

    explain something to me.....how come you shouldn't do cardio before breakfast?
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    LOL at Mr. Rot.

    Ok, here's the deal..

    Cardio in the morning on an empty stomach would mean that glycogen and ATP are depleted.

    Doing cardio while glycogen depleted = doing cardio with no immediate energy.

    When there is no energy for the body to use as fuel, this is starvation, regardless of the amount of food you eat. The body literally has one purpose in life (well, i guess reproduction could be a purpose, but that's more of a species thing) and that purpose is survival.

    Fat is a much more efficeint energy source for survival because it is not energy costly - ie is does not require calories to sustain. On top of this, fat is slower burning, as it is more calorie dense. Therefore muscle will be burned before fat when in a state of starvation, as fat would keep you alive longer!

    This applies more to us with weight training experience because we have (or should have) "excess" muscle sitting on our bones. This excess muscle is detrimental to the bodies ability to survive. The body will burn this muscle every chance it gets. To build muscle we literally have to FORCE our bodies to do something it is not meant to do. It will not synthesize proteins that are not needed by the body (except maybe the appendix?).

    Here we go again....

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    hee hee...thanks....hemants pre-empted you on another thread....

    but thanks..i had a feeling you were saying that from a muscle catabolism standpoint.


    cool. I think i'm still gonna stick with my cardio in the morning though......it keeps me from being a Biatch to my coworkers.

    i will however, maybe eat something beforehand, if it will make you feel better....
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    Yeah, as long as you eat something beforehand you'll be fine.

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    Cack...yes I think I will listen to Spidey. He does know how to train, and diet. I mean after all that is what he goes to school for!!!! Basically I would rather listen to him then be patronized by a 15-year old.tuttut

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    Originally posted by Tryska

    so if i weigh 80 lbs, and only burn a 100 cals in one cardio session, a stack will make up the other 500 cals in order for the mag article to be true?


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