I was lifting today and noticed that the Smith Machine I was using by Body Master is attached to a counter weight. Does this weight have an affect on making the weight you are using easier to lift? I use the Smith Machine as opposed to the squat rack because I feel it's safer. If there is a difference between the amount of weight you can lift can you post the formula? For example, with Smith Machine you squat 80% of what you can with a squat rack. This is just something I was thinking about today and when I did a search couldn't find anything relevant.
Let me know.
It is NOT safer.
It is also not a squat. Please don't use that thing for anything but chinups.
PS change your sig. You don't squat 300. I'll be interested to see what your squat ACTUALLY is once you drape an Oly bar across your shoulders and drop down below parallel.
I can't imagine squatting with the smith... I imagine if would feel awkward. I can't imagine what kind of counterweight you're talking about, but I fully agree with Built. Based on your original post, you might what to follow her advice, just to save face.
smith machine is the devil, no but seriously it is. Use a squat rack you will thank your self later on.
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My gym has no squat rack, all it has is the smith machine and 4 benchs.
There arent any other gyms close enough to join either!
Last edited by dpdd; 04-02-2008 at 11:17 AM.
Because of the overwhelming response of not to use the Smith machine I'm going to start doing doing them on a squat rack. But just because I'm curious (and pretty much a newbie to strength training) what is so unsafe about using the machine? I think my form still checks out, I can get my thighs parallel to the floor using the machine. I'll also have to edit my sig and have a new goal to shoot for because the squat rack will definitely be harder.
I bet you have issues doing real 155lbs squats. The machine does tons of stabilization for you, and most of the bars are counterweighted so they don't weigh anything. The smith also makes your knees and torso move in a unnatural bad way.
Good for you for letting us collectively shame/bully you into doing real squats!
Seriously, you'll be humbled in the gym when you do this, but your 40-year old self will thank you down the line for it.
I'm probably your mom's age and I can front squat 160 for a triple. Knees are fine - and it's because I squat below parallel and don't use Smith for it. Smith forces your torso to remain perfectly upright - so no stabilizers get involved, and any shift in movement is forced onto the knees - functionally you shove your femur over your tibia - a "shear" force that is taken up by the knee.
Start lighter than you think you should, work your form in multiple low-rep sets. Train the movement. If you have trouble getting the balance point, do box squats, reach that ass BACK and push through your heels. If this is a problem, do as I do: fronts.
smith machine is HORRIBLE! don't even get me started..
i'll just say if you want safety that's what the cage is for and setting the pins. Your body isn't designed to work on a "fixed" plane of movement and that's what the smith forces you to do..leading to injuries and alot of other things. i'd type more but you get the idea.
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I hope you're joking. That was the stupidest thing I've ever seen. The only way to practice jiu-jitsu is with another human being. Foolish.No, you can also use it to practice JiuJitsu
I've been doing real man squats for 3 weeks and loving it! Not sure what all I'll do with my smith machine once I put it back together.