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    All Time Bp Surpass The All Time Squat?

    The bench press has already surpass the deadlift.

    Do anybody think that the bench press will surpass the squat?

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    Yeh, by me.

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    hmmm. good question. i think it will be awhile before someone benches 1250. it'd be pretty cool if it did happen, though!
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    Not raw, that's for sure.
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    Nope.

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    If someone trians both bench press and squat equally, what is a typical difference in max? For instance, if someone can bench 300, than they can probably squat 350... Not saying those numbers are remotly correct.

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    I think the bench is about as far as it is gonna go for a bit. I wont be surpised to see Ryan hit 1100 seeing as how he is Ohh So close. But the question here is when do Bones really come into play? No matter how much a shirt can help how much can the body/bones really withstand?
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    mythbusters!!... actually i bet that info is already out there somewhere
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    yeah I doubt someone will hit the squat record. Vlad will probably break 1300 or close to it at his next meet.

    I could see Kennelly hitting 1150 but he's probably not going to hit the squat record.

    be pretty impressive if he did though!

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    wait a minute... im sure a lot of peoples all time bp are higher than their all time squat =p

    on a serious note... that would be some massive weight, not that what is being done now isnt.

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    Definitely no offense to any of you guys that compete equipped regularly, but the day the all time max bench surpasses the all time equipped squat is the day I lose all respect for powerlifting. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but in my opinion gear is getting way out of hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    Definitely no offense to any of you guys that compete equipped regularly, but the day the all time max bench surpasses the all time equipped squat is the day I lose all respect for powerlifting. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but in my opinion gear is getting way out of hand.
    As the weight increases there is more danger and thus more/different gear is required.

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    Yeah, and about the bones, I thought I read somewhere that some of the top guys already feel their bones flexing (bending...) while they bench. Maybe even Wolfe experiences that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGUITAR View Post
    As the weight increases there is more danger and thus more/different gear is required.
    The danger increases because of the gear.

    Don't for one second fool yourself into thinking that gear (even single ply IPF stuff) is for protection. It started off as a safety thing... But then someone thought, hey, I bet I could lift a lot more if I did this.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    Definitely no offense to any of you guys that compete equipped regularly, but the day the all time max bench surpasses the all time equipped squat is the day I lose all respect for powerlifting. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but in my opinion gear is getting way out of hand.
    I agree.

    It's already higher than the all time deadlift... That says something doesn't it?
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    Bench - 374lbs -- 170kg -- Dec 20, '08 (@100kg class)
    Dead - 589lbs -- 267.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @100kg class)
    Total: 1537lbs -- 697.5kg -- Dec 20, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)
    Bench Only -- 358lbs -- 162.5kg -- Nov. 25, '07 (Provincial Record @ 90kg class)
    Bench Only -- 376lbs -- 171kg -- Jan. 26, '08 (Provincial Record @ 100kg class)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGUITAR View Post
    As the weight increases there is more danger and thus more/different gear is required.
    Yea BF, but like Deeder said, why is it so much more dangerous now? Shirts are not used to safely lift more weight anymore. The weight is increasing BECAUSE of the gear. Every year a company comes out with some new material in 20 million ply and bench records go up.

    I don't want to stray from the topic but I've wanted to ask for a long time why gear is even permitted at all in meets. I think I've brought it up in the past but I quickly got shot down by guys that frequent the pl forums because they don't want to face the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    I don't want to stray from the topic but I've wanted to ask for a long time why gear is even permitted at all in meets. I think I've brought it up in the past but I quickly got shot down by guys that frequent the pl forums because they don't want to face the truth.
    You get shot down precisely because it IS off-topic. If you don't like equipment, compete raw and/or in all-raw federations. If you don't compete at all, why do you have an opinion (and I'm not necessarily talking to you)?

    It has absolutely nothing to do with "facing the truth" - PLers who compete with equipment do so because equipment is already an integral part of the game. If you want to be a competitive pole-vaulter, you won't be using a solid wood pole. If you want to be a professional cyclist, you won't be using a Schwinn Stingray 5-speed with the banana seat ( http://www.antiquewhs.com/2005011.jpg ) even though you'd be cooler than cool if you did.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Sensei, although your comparisons are a little similar, there's still a big difference. Powerlifting is about lifting the most weight possible using just your body/strength. You cannot deny that modern powerlifting isn't simply about being as strong as possible, it's about using the best possible shirt and having good technique to squeeze as much out of the shirt as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    Sensei, although your comparisons are a little similar, there's still a big difference. Powerlifting is about lifting the most weight possible using just your body/strength.
    Says you. Do you compete in equipped feds?
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    You cannot deny that modern powerlifting isn't simply about being as strong as possible, it's about using the best possible shirt and having good technique to squeeze as much out of the shirt as possible.
    Of course it is. Did I say anything to the contrary? And how is that different than cycling or golf exactly? Competitors in every sport exploit equipment rules as much as possible to achieve the best performances they can - so what? If you don't like it, don't watch, don't compete, don't bitch, don't sidetrack threads.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Says you. Do you compete in equipped feds?
    Of course it is. Did I say anything to the contrary? And how is that different than cycling or golf exactly? Competitors in every sport exploit equipment rules as much as possible to achieve the best performances they can - so what? If you don't like it, don't watch, don't compete, don't bitch, don't sidetrack threads.
    Sure equipment plays a part, but give somebody like tiger a cheap ass set of clubs and he'll still play amazingly. What you're missing is, for all the sports you reference to, the equipment has to be used. You can't cycle without a bike, you can't golf without clubs. What I'm curious about, is how gear got started in the first place. You definitely don't need gear to lift, but somebody using a multi-ply shirt is definitely going to have an advantage over somebody going raw, if they were competing in the same meet for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    Sensei, although your comparisons are a little similar, there's still a big difference. Powerlifting is about lifting the most weight possible using just your body/strength. You cannot deny that modern powerlifting isn't simply about being as strong as possible, it's about using the best possible shirt and having good technique to squeeze as much out of the shirt as possible.
    dood! you are so right! those geared lifters are soooo weak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Says you. Do you compete in equipped feds?
    You know I don't. Do YOU? I should have re-worded that differently. Powerlifting STARTED as being all about lifting the most weight possible using just your humanly strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    dood! you are so right! those geared lifters are soooo weak!
    I'm definitely not suprised at comments like this. I never said I don't respect geared lifters, and have never said they aren't strong as ****. I remember reading a long thread on powerliftingwatch a while ago questioning gear and that's pretty much the kind of response half the people threw out there. "So what are you calling people that used shirts weak!!!111??? Right lawl none of us are strong."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    You know I don't. Do YOU?
    I've done my share.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invain View Post
    I'm definitely not suprised at comments like this. I never said I don't respect geared lifters, and have never said they aren't strong as ****. I remember reading a long thread on powerliftingwatch a while ago questioning gear and that's pretty much the kind of response half the people threw out there. "So what are you calling people that used shirts weak!!!111??? Right lawl none of us are strong."

    so saying that lifting in gear doesn't require brute strength and isn't powerlifting - that is insulting so of course people will take offense.

    Fortunatly not all raw lifters take the same attitude you have so I don't want this to seem as if I'm generalizing all raw lifters.

    C'mon guys! They are two different types of powerlifting, but they are both powerlifting! Why is that difficult to understand? Both require a great amount of strength. I don't understand the need to pull apart guys that choose to lift in gear

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