Best lifts: 615/475/660, Raw w/ Wraps
Say what?! Muscular soreness is absolutely a side effect of having properly stimulated muscle growth with high intensity training! While some areas may not experience as much soreness as others, with proper training, some degree of soreness should almost always ensue nonetheless.
So yeah, muscular soreness is inadvertently a requirement of growth. Who said anything about muscles "knowing" anything? Muscles dont know the difference between a Hammer strength machine and a sack of s**t.
And hey, wer'e not talking about raking leaves or a walk in the park my friend, wer'e talking about putting in some work. Proper training causes muscle growth stimulation while the pump and soreness are side effects and indicators of it. if neither one occurs then chances are that growth was not optimally stimulated in the first place.
As far as a pump goes, we are not talking about the kind of pump you get with a useless flurry of Friday night pre-clubbin' arm pumps for the ladies, but a deep down to the bone, solid pump that tells you that youve had enough excercise.
You've made progress; great! but even in horseshoes some misses count don't they? markp
LOL, wow you sure are getting defensive. But I guess if I was just relying on poor information, little understanding of physiology and old information from Flex then I'd get a little bent out of shape to when faced with the fact that I'm not impressing anybody.
You've proved nothing with your long posts. You're a doctor. Did you ever learn to cite your sources or did just copy and paste from your buddies to get through school?
Who have you trained that has competed? Or, if you train so hard, how well have you done in competition? Lets see the proof of your hard work.
What is elite?
"Those who work the hardest often complain the least." -anonymous
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
Thats quite a strong statement.So yeah, muscular soreness is inadvertently a requirement of growth.
Dr. Mark I am not sure what your intentions were posting this training philosophy on wannabebig. if you checked the site out at all before posting this you would know most members subscribed to the theory that training is most effective in its basic form. Heavy weights, compound exercises, high training frequency, no fluff. I am not close minded to other ideas and I actually follow training principles which are a bit "outside the box", but I tried to google you and found nothing. do you have any pictures of yourself or of your results training this way? do you have testimonials from trainees? how many people have you trained? do you have pictures of them, before and after? you've taken a beating from the members here, and I have to say deservedly so, but we can't totally discredit your methods if you can prove they are effective.
when I tried to google this guy before I put spaces in his name. just spelled it as is. He is putting chapters of his book on many different boards. no responses anywhere have been too favorable.
And in fact I've done just that. At my heaviest I had to lose some weight because my skeletal structure just couldn't carry it (as I've stated in other posts before). I'd say that's pretty much an indication of maximal growth.
No, you are inadvertently wrong! You are inadvertently stating that to grow you must have been/currently are experiencing delayed onset of muscular soreness (DOMS). Cardiac muscle grows the same way skeletal muscle grows and they never experience DOMS, smooth muscle although differ in genetic limitations yet have the same protein synthesis grow and they never experience DOMS. For sarcomeres to expand in girth relevance they do not have to "achieve a threshold" (as you say) of DOMS; therefore DOMS isn't, never has been or ever will be a prerequisite for hypertrophy!So yeah, muscular soreness is inadvertently a requirement of growth.
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Squats work better than supplements.
"You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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