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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #1
    Senior Member BFGUITAR's Avatar
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    Frustrated with learning how to sing

    I have been making progress which is nice. But I seem to have the crappiest range EVER. I can hit notes and sing intervals but the highest note I can comfortable hit is an open B string on guitar. That is a B directly below middle C.

    EVERY song I want to learn requires a higher voice than I have. Will I ever be able to sing some moderately higher stuff? Im not asking to sing like Robert Plant... maybe some Chili Peppers stuff and some SRV. Guitar seemed to have come easy but this... singing is freakin difficult lol.

    So how can I increase my range? I know for a 100% that singers do have a comfort range but I also know for a fact that with practice one can increase their range substantially, probably enough for me to sing all the songs I want.

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    ANVIL POWER Detard's Avatar
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    You might be better off trying a singers message board or a music board.
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    do you have a voice coach or whatever?
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    I've had little to no formal training, but years and years of karaoke practice in Japan and the U.S. - so take my advice for whatever you think it's worth. Most guys try to sing way too high when they start singing - I think your range will increase with practice, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. SRV and Red Hot Chili Peppers should be very doable unless you have an extremely deep voice and/or zero range.
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    If this is to accompany playing (and I imagine it is), why don't you jut play the songs lower? You're not so many steps below the actual song that modifying it would make it unrecognizable.
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    Senior Member BFGUITAR's Avatar
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    Sensei I agree, my range will get better with practice.

    I would play it lower but I would rather not have to deal with that. It makes it difficult for others this way. Of course if I am by myself it's ok. If I were to do anything it would be tune down a semi tone.

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    I'll come sing for you, I get a perfect score everytime I sing Fuel's Hemmorage on the American Idol game, so I must be good...
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    You cant change the structure of your vocal chords so you cant really incress your range much.

    You could trying singing falsetto...

    or you will just have to play lower.
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    Similarly to Sensei's experience, through practice and lots of karaoke, I have increased my range a lot, but it took a long time. It is a gradual process, because it goes beyond hitting the note itself. You have to have the diaphragm control and the air support to maintain the note, and enough practice hitting the note that you can change how you are singing or straining the note to sound the way you want.
    In a sense, it is a lot like building muscle. You can do it, but not quickly.
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    Increasing your range is not difficult if your basic technique is good. Firstly, you've got to have good breath support. Fully expanding your lower abdomen and lower back and then in to your ribcage. This gives the basic breath support needed for good singing. Make sure your exhalation is steady, keeping good support and a feeling of expansion. From there I would practice motor boats. Motor boats are making a br sound with your lips over again until they vibrate like a motor boat. Practice a 1-3-5 arpeggio up and down the scale. This combined with proper breathing should help you expand a few notes past your passagio. Which sounds like by what you described around B3. Many of my male voice students get very discouraged because most pop music is in the tenor range and most men are baritones. Don't get discouraged with time, practice and proper technique, it'll happen quicker than you think. Good Luck.
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    Xand where do you live? I am looking for a vocal coach.

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    Currently, I'm teaching in CO and will be moving back to Los Angeles in August. IM me and i'll give you my website info.
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    Risk10k Clifford Gillmore's Avatar
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    Check out the Zen of Screaming DVD from mellisa Cross, the first one. The singing lessons are very well done, I can pitch my screams/yells as well as sing with the few great exercises she shows. DL on torrent.

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    ZoS is an awesome video. Why it's out of print is beyond me, but it's amazing.
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    There're lots of techiques you could try but bottom line, why not just have fun with it 'mimic' certain singers voices...I used to do that quite a bit and laugh my ass off when I started getting dead on. Singing is a great deal of fun, and like anything else, you'll get much better if you do it enough and even develop your own style.

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