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    Always use belt for heavy sets?

    I bumped my squat up to 260 as a working set. I could do 3-4 easy with a belt but with out I dont feel as sturdy whatsoever.

    My question is, if I ever go heavy with squats should I always use a belt? I plan on competing so using a belt would be important. But what I am worried is that I may depend on the belt to squat heavy. Should I use the belt more often and also do some lower back work?

    EDIT: I just wanted to say that I have never gone this heavy for more than one rep
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    I always train without a belt making my core and such "stronger" as I go. Never really felt uneasy under or over any weight without one. That all being said, I don't plan on competing, save one competition in Sept.

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    Obviously you can't do as much weight without a belt but other than that there's no limit where you absolutely need to wear a belt. I only have my belt on every 10 days right now and that's for knee wrap work. My raw squat sessions are without a belt until about 4 weeks out of competition.
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    i wear mine for all heavy sessions, putting it on around 75% or so of my max. i think its pretty individual as to how often you want to use it.
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    Totally individual dependant.

    I used to rely on that thing for all my heavy squatting and was scared to death if I tried squatting over 275 with it. Now 355 without it is cake. Id suggest doing lots of heavy core/back stuff! I enjoy not having to rely on it.
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    I only use one for heavy deads.
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    My training partner puts his belt on at 135. He squatted 1003 and 1008. He was coached and told to never do ab work. Just because you have the belt on doesn't mean you'll be weak. If your goal is to squat more weight, put the belt on and stop listening to people that can't squat anything. If you feel you need ab work, do it. Don't sacrifice weight in the squat to train without a belt.

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    i do both.. i train without a belt more and more and only use it when I feel like I'm going to be pushing the limit. Training with a belt ALL THE TIME will weaken your core and you'll have to rely on the belt more and more.. plus it ends up being a mental handicap if ever you FORGET your belt the day you lift. When maxing.. hell yes wear the belt.. in other work I wouldn't say wear it that much.

    ..and what's with this new trend of wearing a belt during every exercise i'm seeing lately? Since when do lateral raises require a belt?!
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    Interesting.

    I personally feel fine without a belt for deads, but for squats they seem very very useful.
    Even with the belt on loosely it helps keep me stable, I may just use it more often and do some lower back/ab work as well.

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    you absolutly need to do core work its imparritive to your squat and deadlift, its so important to me i have a day set aside just to do core work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_HoffWSBB View Post
    you absolutly need to do core work its imparritive to your squat and deadlift, its so important to me i have a day set aside just to do core work.
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    core is everything.. the more stable your core the easier it is to handle heavier ****.. and we all know the easier it is to handle heavy **** the easier it will be to move it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewicked View Post
    i do both.. i train without a belt more and more and only use it when I feel like I'm going to be pushing the limit. Training with a belt ALL THE TIME will weaken your core and you'll have to rely on the belt more and more.. plus it ends up being a mental handicap if ever you FORGET your belt the day you lift. When maxing.. hell yes wear the belt.. in other work I wouldn't say wear it that much.

    ..and what's with this new trend of wearing a belt during every exercise i'm seeing lately? Since when do lateral raises require a belt?!
    Wearing a belt WILL NOT weaken your abs/low back. By making that statement, you're effectively saying that the belt takes the place of the abs and low back and that they DO NOT work while the belt is on. That, is absolutely wrong.

    Some say it is good to get some training in without a belt, which I agree with, but to say that your abs will get weaker if you wear a belt is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewicked View Post
    i do both.. i train without a belt more and more and only use it when I feel like I'm going to be pushing the limit. Training with a belt ALL THE TIME will weaken your core and you'll have to rely on the belt more and more.. plus it ends up being a mental handicap if ever you FORGET your belt the day you lift. When maxing.. hell yes wear the belt.. in other work I wouldn't say wear it that much.

    ..and what's with this new trend of wearing a belt during every exercise i'm seeing lately? Since when do lateral raises require a belt?!
    I have to say that today at the gym I saw a guy walking in with a belt going towards the squat rack. I thought to myself 'I won't be the only person squatting today, nice.' As he neared the rack he made a left turn to the hack squat machine, or standing leg press. He continues on to tighten his belt and do 2 inch ROM presses. I laughed and thought about this thread.
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    I learned alot about this from my friend Eddy Coan. I feel you should go beltless until you get heavy, meaning heavy for YOU. I like to do block pulls minus the belt, once I feel I need to get heavy I add it for the heavy sets only. Same with the squats. Remember, wearing a belt is like anything else, it will help you, but you must practice in it.

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    I only use the belt when I go heavy for myself. So today I did 260x4 for 3 sets I went like

    Barx12
    95x8
    135x5
    185x3
    225x1
    BELT
    260x4 for 3

    EDIT: SGT what exactly is a block pull?
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    The lift that I call block pulls are basically higher dead lifts (the weights sit on some wood blocks to raise it up). Similar to a rack pull, but different enough to call if something else.

    He could also be standing on blocks to make the bar lower. I guess it depends on what you want to call the exercise.

    I don't know which one he is talking about but those are the two exercises that come to my mind as to what they could be.

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    Block pulls are with YOU standing on the BLOCK, thats what I was referring to in that instance.

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    I agree that core work is a must to improve your squat and deadlift. As far as the belt goes, I warm up without it but as soon I get up to 315 I put it on, even though I could keep lifting without it. For me personally, as someone who is still fairly new to squatting heavy, I like wearing the belt for technique purposes; filling with air and pushing out against the belt with my belly when I'm squatting.
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    should you still work on your core even if your a heavy guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglift View Post
    should you still work on your core even if your a heavy guy?
    You know the answer.

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    Being heavy and core strength do not coincide. You should still work the core.

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    exactly how much core work do you guys usually do? is this like 3 sets of weighted situps, or much more?

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    I do alot of core work and never wear a belt.

    Weigthed ab bridge, 45seconds x 5
    BW crunches with feet up
    Lying leg raises
    Sit ups
    Other crap.
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    I use belt more when I am skinnier but now that i am fatter i find i'll put it on for 405 insted od 315.(deadlifts)

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