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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    A THUMBLESS Grip For More Lat Stimulation In Underhand Chins / Pulldowns.. Opinions?

    I read about this in a few bodybuilding books, supposedly just having your fingers wrapped around the bar and not your thumb in an underhand chinup or pulldown, your biceps will get even less involvement from the movement.

    Opinions?



    ... I have actually heard the same thing about more activation of triceps with lying BB ext. Thumbless grip is more triceps.
    Last edited by MonStar1023; 03-22-2002 at 12:04 PM.

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    Gaglione Strength Chris Rodgers's Avatar
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    I don't know the science, but I feel more comfortable using a thumbless grip on my wide grip, overhand chins.

    On underhand I wrap my thumb.
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    LATMAN-
    Same bro, underhand I always wrap my thumb...


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    I use straps for chins and pull-ups, so I don't have to worry about what grip I'm using. I concentrate on pulling with my wrists.
    " Eat to grow, Progression to get stronger " - mesmall

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    mesmall do you add weight, or only use bw?
    big.

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    I add weight. To be more clear, I am still gripping the bar but not tight enough to make any differance in thumb position. With staps you are basically hanging from your wrists in my opinion.
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    yeah ok, I see alot of people at my gym using straps when they only use bw. I'm thinking they must have the worst grip strength known to man.
    big.

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    I would go for thumbless grips on pullups. A personal trainer told me that it relieves stress on the forearms and works the lats more.
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    I would want to involve the forearms in the movement, in order to get stronger forearms. I can see using straps if your forearms are holding your pullups back. But I think you should just do whatever is the most comfortable and however you can do the most pullups, thats whats going to stimulate your lats not your grip.
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    I've never done them any other way but thumbless, sorry bro can't help you.

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    Wow this is really crazy. I guess there is no science backing them up one way or another. I dont do anything thumbless, maybe I am the wierd one.


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    Damn! Straps for chins? Do you weigh like 400 lbs??


    I would just use whatever grip is most comfortable for you.
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    I do all my back movements thumbs out, it just feels more comfortable for me.

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    Actually, if you position your thumb 45* to the relative position of the sun and tide, you'll maximize your gains.



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    Latman...chins and pull-ups are a back exercise not a forearm exercise. By using straps I remove the weakest link. Better isolation if you ask me. And no I don't weigh 400 pounds.
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    My weakest link in my chins is my biceps/lats. I could hang from that chin bar all day long.
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    No way. I dont agree with pu*sy straps at all. Use your damn forearms. If you cant grip the weight with your strength than its too heavy! I dont care what anyone says on this, if you cant pick the weight up on your own without some kind of assistance, than you really cannot lift the weight. I dont agree with people who deadlift 600 with straps, but 450 without.


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    then they sould call you batman not latman.
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    Originally posted by MonStar1023
    No way. I dont agree with pu*sy straps at all. Use your damn forearms. If you cant grip the weight with your strength than its too heavy! I dont care what anyone says on this, if you cant pick the weight up on your own without some kind of assistance, than you really cannot lift the weight. I dont agree with people who deadlift 600 with straps, but 450 without.

    I agree, if you can't do it without the straps then you can't do it.

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    Glad to see someone here feels the same way about straps.


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    Here is an old strap debate that may be interesting to some.

    http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...s&pagenumber=1
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    Thanks for the link, just read it.


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    I use a thumbless grip on all back exercises. I prefer it, and I think I feel my back more during the movement (pretty esoteric, eh?).

    I also use straps on all upper-back movements for my heavy sets. I do not use straps for deadlifts. Many people commented on my forearms when I posted my pics, so it does not seem to have interfered with their development.

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    Personally, I think if you want to better isolate muscles in an exercise, then straps help. I don't think they make sense just to say lifted bigger (i.e. 600lb deads with straps, 450 without). However, that example would make sense to use straps just for stress your other muslces more. Imagine how much stronger/bigger your other muscles will get by being forced to use the higher weight as opposed to not hitting them as hard with the lower weight...

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