The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #1
    Senior Member kornmong's Avatar
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    Should I do Rippetoes Starting strength Routine? or Bill Starrs Intermediate routine?

    Hey all,

    I just need some clarification to what I should do out of the best pre-made routines that I read of on this site

    What classifies a beginner or a novice to weightlifting /bodybuilding?

    Ive done some sort of weightlifting for the last few years, not very consistently but still did it, this year I went for a record 5 months without taking a break or missing a session and this is where I got the most strength gains ("obviously")

    Right now im I have taken a week off for a big rest and to restart a new routine, Can I expect such gains from rippetoes routine,

    Am I still a novice lifter or am I now a intermediate lifter that wont get the best gains from this routine?

    Have a look at my journal to see what I have done to help , help me lol

    Thanks, Cya
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    How much can you deadlift?

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    Regardless of your stats, you should try Starting Strength. If you can progress on it, use that. Otherwise, you can switch to Starr's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious View Post
    Regardless of your stats, you should try Starting Strength. If you can progress on it, use that. Otherwise, you can switch to Starr's.
    I agree.

    An don't be afraid to overtrain with Ripptoes. I did that VERY often. You need to condition yourself to workout with more frequency. I was doing ripptoes for several months. I but 75 pounds on my 5 rep max for squats, 40 lbs for bench (but went down before due to problems), and 50 lbs on deadlifts (also 5rm).


    My legs also exploded. Only rest when YOU feel you need it. Otherwise keep pounding away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGUITAR View Post
    My legs also exploded.
    amen brotha. SS made me go up in boxer size because my thighs got too damn big!

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    an intermediate can't recover from their workout before the next one, so the accumulated fatigue leads to overtraining. If you can continually add weight using SS, do it.
    Now if you are just plain old out of shape and claiming to be an intermediate, well that's another story.

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    Sounds Good

    I can rep 150kgs - 160kgs 8 - 10 times on deadlift, resetting every time,
    I can rep 80kgs - 85kgs for - 10 times on bench,
    I can rep 115kgs - 125kgs for 10 reps on squats,

    Well on my previous routine I stopped getting sore from squats and not as sore from the other lifts instead of 5 days it was more like 2 - 3

    I will Do starting strength for a period then do bill starrs afterwards

    Can I do more than one set of deadlift on workout A, I know im not meant to modify it but come on its 1 set or is it hard anyway cause your doing the 3 lifts in one session?

    Thanks cya
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    and on standing shoulder press, I can rep 50kgs - 55kgs 8 - 10 times
    Last edited by kornmong; 07-06-2008 at 07:02 PM. Reason: mistakes
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    Don't change the routine. One set is enough.....go HEAVY

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    So Its a set then, I will do this and see what happens,

    Can I add in weighted chinups after the 3 big lifts in workout A? I know my biceps won grow off rows alone

    Thanks
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kornmong View Post
    So Its a set then, I will do this and see what happens,

    Can I add in weighted chinups after the 3 big lifts in workout A? I know my biceps won grow off rows alone

    Thanks
    firstly, do power cleans if you have the equpment. "I don't want to" is not a good enough reason. Second, do the workout as prescribed and add stuff in a couple of weeks.

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    I have no excuses for not doing power cleans and I didn't say I did, I like them where should I put them
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    So today I can do this:?

    Squats: 3 x 5
    Bench press: 3 x 5
    Dead lift 1 x 5
    Power cleans: 1 - 3 x 3 - 5
    Weighted decline sit ups: 2 - 3 x 10
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    No. Deadlifts and powercleans go on separate days.

    Edit: and 5x3 is a good rep scheme for the PC's.
    Last edited by Kastro; 07-06-2008 at 10:27 PM.

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    The routine should start like this:

    Workout A
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Bench Press
    1x5 Deadlifts

    Workout B
    3x5 Squat
    3x5 Overhead Press
    3x5 Power cleans

    You should be adding weight to every exercise every workout. This will eventually require microloading (weights smaller than 2.5 lbs) to keep progressing. You can add dips to workout A and chins to workout B it if you want, but I would suggest getting used to the heavy stuff first. Add them in a few weeks when you're used to it.

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    Is it ok to add weighted hypers and situps in every workout? Like I plan to if its ok
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    Situps are fine. Hypers won't really help imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kornmong View Post
    Is it ok to add weighted hypers and situps in every workout? Like I plan to if its ok
    hypers are a good accessory exercise if your back is weak, but for the last time LEAVE IT ALONE FOR A FEW WEEKS MINIMUM. I've been following Rippetoe's for a couple months now and am just now considering the addition of exercises. It's easy at first, but it starts to get very hard and you don't want to be fatigued from accessory movements.
    Abs are fine to do once or twice a week, but again accessory movements (anything that isn't squat, bench, deads, power clean or OHP) should not impact your performance the next workout.

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    ...ok I wont add accessory work until a couple of weeks have passed, I know it gets hard quickly, in a few weeks it will be quite hard for me but we will see

    Thanks, Cya
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey170 View Post
    amen brotha. SS made me go up in boxer size because my thighs got too damn big!
    rippetoes gave me stretch marks on my ass and legs :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by eriatarka01 View Post
    rippetoes gave me stretch marks on my ass and legs :P
    Hey thats awesome, Both of you, Can you tell me how long you did this for and what your 5 lifts went from and any more info that you feel like sharing on your experience with this routine

    Thanks
    Bodyweight : 195 - Height: 5' 9

    Current lifts:
    DL - 490 x 1 - 462 x 4 ... Nearly 500 so close
    BS - 374 x 1 - 330 x 5
    BP - 302 x 1 - 258 x 5, 225 x 10
    BR - 231 x 1 - 209 x 5
    PP - 220 x 1 - 198 x 4

    My journal: http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...=108252&page=3

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