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Thread: Squats dilema

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    Squats dilema

    I have a minor issue whilst performing Squats. Actually going through the sets and reps isnt the actual issue now. I do the workout twice a week and am making good gains but there's one thing that bugs me and that's the bar!

    When I squat I usually place a soft-textured tube-like pad around the bar which rests on my back provided by the gym, but still after every squat workout, I have really horrible bar and bruise marks left from performing them.

    Im sure im holding them in the correct position. Is this un-avoidable due to pressure lying on your shoulders/neck or is they a way around this?

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    It is going to happen. Where do you place the bar? If it's on your neck, you may want to move it down a bit.

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    get more padding.. i doubled up the padding and it feels beter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insane View Post
    get more padding.. i doubled up the padding and it feels beter
    thats a great idea
    Sarvamangalam!

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    try a lower bar position. I still get marks, but it's not AS bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
    thats a great idea
    WOW...

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    I know its not the best idea but he said he usually used that padding.. meaning not every time... i got a big piece of foam that goes over the one at the gym and its feels great now
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    Don't use padding. Learn to position the bar correctly on your traps or delts and pain should not be an issue. You'll also probably get less marks using just the bar than you would with padding because of a smaller surface area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez View Post
    Don't use padding. Learn to position the bar correctly on your traps or delts and pain should not be an issue. You'll also probably get less marks using just the bar than you would with padding because of a smaller surface area.
    I've got to agree. Don't use padding. Just find the right spot, once you do, you won't want the padding.

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    so you guys doing 300 + pounds aren't using any sort of padding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insane View Post
    so you guys doing 300 + pounds aren't using any sort of padding?
    You'll find that the more weight a person squats, the less likely he is to use the pad.

    900 lbs, no pad:
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    Nope. I have it sit high on my traps (but not on my neck), others have them lower sitting on the delts. If you can find a spot where the bar just wants to "sit" on your back, it shouldn't be painful at all. If you can find a spot and want to try without the pad, give it a go for a month and see if you get accustomed to it.

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    that was a big squat .. man you guys are tougher then me.. i give it i try without padding next time.. maybe i can get used to it
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    i have the bar lower lower and it feels fine for me, like below that ball-like thing on the back of your neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insane View Post
    so you guys doing 300 + pounds aren't using any sort of padding?
    Padding gets more dangerous as the weight increases. The more things you have between you and the pad, the more things there are that can cause the bar to slip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Moore View Post
    WOW...
    ...sarcasm my friend, sarcasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insane View Post
    so you guys doing 300 + pounds aren't using any sort of padding?
    nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
    ...sarcasm my friend, sarcasm
    I know, my post was directed at the "double the padding" comment. Sorry for the confusion, haha.

    As for 300+ squatters using padding? No, we do not. Chalk, a t-shirt and the bar, that's it (maybe the suit straps, ). The padding puts your leverages at a disadvantage and could cause the bar to slip.

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    ok good to know.. not that i will be squatting anything heavy anytime soon hit 231 today with padding lol..
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    I dont know where you place your hands on the bar, but I find that the closer the grip (without blowing your elbows out) the more it pushes your traps up to rest the bar on.
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    If I'm correct your question isn't about where to place the bar because it hurting you but rather your concern is about the marks left behind after the workout. It's just something that is likely going to happen whether you use padding, double padding or no padding at all. While doing the lift the bar/padding is going to rub your skin to a degree and leave those marks. I have found that it happens to me no matter what I do. Doesn't hurt just looks nasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike42506 View Post
    i have the bar lower lower and it feels fine for me, like below that ball-like thing on the back of your neck.
    your vertebrae???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike42506 View Post
    i have the bar lower lower and it feels fine for me, like below that ball-like thing on the back of your neck.
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    I really am beginning to wonder if anyone actually watches these...

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    Lose the padding and learn how to rack the bar properly.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    For what it's worth, I watched most of your Squat Rx's repeatedly and they have been an invaluable resource. There's also a wiki on Starting Strength that links to them.

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