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    Squatting wide - still good for raw lifting?

    Currently I don't have the money to buy gear, nor the time it takes to learn how to use it. I'd still like to get stronger in the squat though, and enter a few more raw competitions while I'm at it. With that said, should I still be trying to squat as wide as possible? Can super wide squatting still help my poundages even if I don't use gear? Is it safe for my hips?

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    I'd keep a moderate stance with raw lifting. If you look at my raw stance, it's easily 10" closer than my geared. You'll have better overall strength development as well as keeping your hips healthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Moore View Post
    I'd keep a moderate stance with raw lifting. If you look at my raw stance, it's easily 10" closer than my geared. You'll have better overall strength development as well as keeping your hips healthy
    Interesting. I'm really working on my squat form lately, could you post videos of your raw and geared stance? It would be helpful to see both.

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    Hips are my weak link and I've had some injuries so when I squat raw I use a medium or "athletic" stance w/ the feet just under the shoulders. When I'm in gear I squat wider.
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    I squat super wide (never used gear) and my hips are perfectly healthy. Maybe it's just because I'm young. Who knows? Close stance free squatting just doesn't feel right.

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    Geared squat - briefs, suit and belt
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    "Raw" Squat - belt and knee wraps (wraps are allowed in the APA raw meets)

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    i'm with Ben. squatting real wide with no gear on is really going to take a toll on your hips, if it hasnt already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonesXedge View Post
    i'm with Ben. squatting real wide with no gear on is really going to take a toll on your hips, if it hasnt already.
    Yeah, it does. Unfortunately, I experienced this first hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Moore View Post
    Geared squat - briefs, suit and belt
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    Thanks. That's helpful.

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    I f'd my hips up badly squatting raw and wide. I am just starting to get over huge problems with my IT band, piriformis, groin, and knee. I have been rehabbing twice a day because of it. Ultra wide raw squats=bad!


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    Yeah, I can't even begin to descend on a wide raw squat. My hips and groin just will not take it.

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    I suppose this is also dependent on the structure of the person squatting, and what is meant by wide and normal stance. I use a stance about 6" away from each shoulder. Is that too wide for raw? I haven't felt any kind of pain in hips or knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Szust View Post
    I suppose this is also dependent on the structure of the person squatting, and what is meant by wide and normal stance. I use a stance about 6" away from each shoulder. Is that too wide for raw? I haven't felt any kind of pain in hips or knees.
    6" away from your shoulders is fine. I wouldn't consider that "super wide" by any means.
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    without hip support a wide stance is brutal for us raw guys.. been there done that and i felt it for a long time!
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    I tried squatting wide raw and it killed my groin so now I am a little wider than shoulder width. It did change my leverages so I had to change the assistance work to match the change in stance.

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    Wow very good I read this thread! Because I practice squatting wide just to get use to it. I'm going to narrow it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFGUITAR View Post
    Wow very good I read this thread! Because I practice squatting wide just to get use to it. I'm going to narrow it up.
    I bought some Inzer Powerpants. They're cheap and great to use while squatting wide.
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    just get some briefs if you want to squat wide.
    nevermind just read your post. (lol)

    you can probably find a used pair or a handme down for not too much
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    This has been a very helpful thread.

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    Don't squat super wide without gear. You'll kill your hips and groin. I also learned this first hand

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    yeah this is all good information thanks guys.

    Another quick question though - i can comfortably hit parallel when my heels are around 25 inches apart. I can do a few inches more but it takes a LOT of warming up and its a little uncomfortable. Is this about right for raw squatting or should i try and stretch a lot to get wider?

    haha I doubt very many of you go measuring your squat stance now that i think about it so i'll try and get a pic or something next time. i'm 5'10 by the way.

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    You will not last long squatting wide raw. period.

    I've have many young members at my gym that come in squatting
    super wide raw. They never want to believe me when i tell them they won't last very long with out injuring themselves. "my hips don't hurt, I'm fine!" Well, sooner or later they get hurt, mostly hips.

    You'd be surprised at how many younger lifters train westside RAW. I personally don't think that can be done for too long. You at least need briefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Celli View Post
    You'd be surprised at how many younger lifters train westside RAW. I personally don't think that can be done for too long. You at least need briefs.

    That's exactly what happened to me. Both, pulling and squatting wide, heavy and raw took a toll on me while I was training with a westside template and lead to an injury in my groin area. After reevaluating what I did, I don't recommend westside RAW and like Ryan said, at least get yourself some briefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Celli View Post

    You'd be surprised at how many younger lifters train westside RAW. I personally don't think that can be done for too long. You at least need briefs.
    As long as you don't squat wide, I don't see anything wrong with training westside raw. You many not get as much out of dynamic squats or box squats because you don't use your glutes as much, but you're still greasing the groove and working on speed. That was my favorite part about westside when I first started training it - how much better my form got after dynamic effort squats.

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    I am doing it raw but I have changed it up because I am doing it raw. So I guess im not doing westside any more lol.

    So far I like it. Through trial and error did I find what works for me.
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