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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Do you Warm-Up with the bar?

    I rarely see anyone at my gym warm up with just the bar.

    I always do for Bench, Squat, and sometimes curl barx10 for my first warm up set.
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    Yes sir I do. Followed by 135.

    I just checked out your journal, MAN your squat PR's flew up like mad at first.
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    I always do.

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    on bench i warm up with 135

    I usually give it a smooth rep and then let it down to my chest and stretch my delts a little bit with it because my delts used to get tight benching, particularly before I switched to the arch-tuck style. The bar isn't enough weight.
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    I warm up with 135 on bench. Usually the same for all my main lifts.
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    I always start with the bar, but you have to be aware that with certain exercises, like the squat, at heavy weight the center of mass will always be the bar itself, but unweighted your body mass will play a larger role, and thus the form will be altered significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastro View Post
    I always start with the bar, but you have to be aware that with certain exercises, like the squat, at heavy weight the center of mass will always be the bar itself, but unweighted your body mass will play a larger role, and thus the form will be altered significantly.
    That's not true. In a properly balanced squat, the centre of gravity will always be directly over your foot. A properly performed barbell squat has the barbell travel in a straight line directly over your foot, no matter how much weight is on the bar.

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    I warm up with the bar when I bench and squat. With deadlifts, I start with 135.

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    Yes. For all lifts that involve a bar, and some that dont.
    however once I am warmed up (ie after the first exercise), I will skip the bar and go to 1 or 2 plates depending on the lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Szust View Post
    Yes sir I do. Followed by 135.

    I just checked out your journal, MAN your squat PR's flew up like mad at first.
    O ya Squat quickly became my favorite lift.
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    Sometimes, I only do If I feel very stiff that day just to get my blood going.

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    Sure do, except for deads.
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    some idiot at my gym thinks everybody warms up with 245. at least i guess he does because he always leaves it on the bar after his shrugs. i thought about carrying the bar over to the treadmill and dropping it on his feet today after he did that.


    i warm up with the bar for everything.
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    I do for Squats and Bench. For Squats because I like to "warm my knees up" a bit. Seems like if I don't my knees crack with the heavier weight and it helps me to get a mental focus on the form of the lift. For Bench I do it more so I can make sure the bench itself is positioned correctly for me under the bar as well as mentally prepare myself.
    Don't do it for Deads though cause I'm an animal. I just go straight to 6 plates on each side...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez View Post
    That's not true. In a properly balanced squat, the centre of gravity will always be directly over your foot. A properly performed barbell squat has the barbell travel in a straight line directly over your foot, no matter how much weight is on the bar.
    You're missing the point, and just made two contradicting statements. With an unloaded bar, there is no guarantee that the COM and the bar itself coincide, and any slight difference can and will alter the form.

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    I start w. the bar.
    A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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    Quote Originally Posted by Detard View Post
    Sure do, except for deads.
    same here

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    I've started doing it for bench and squat. It helps on both, helps me get ready for benching, and gets me in the groove for squating.
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    bench and shoulder press i start with the bar
    squat I do bodyweight squats
    deadlifts I use about 135
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    yeah i always do...once i tried warming up with weight then the next lift i made failed badly. lol
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    I always warm up with the bar on bench ususally 2-5 sets of 10-15 reps. Sometimes I'll do 10 or 20 sets with just the bar.

    I start with 135 on Squats and usually 135 or 225 on deads, depending on if I squat first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastro View Post
    You're missing the point, and just made two contradicting statements. With an unloaded bar, there is no guarantee that the COM and the bar itself coincide, and any slight difference can and will alter the form.
    I'm not missing the point and I didn't make any contradictory statements. If your barbell squats look different from each other depending on the weight on the bar, you are doing something wrong.

    By your logic, your form would be different for every squat of a different weight.

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    I warm up with the bar for squats, bench and OH press

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    Quote Originally Posted by benny View Post
    some idiot at my gym thinks everybody warms up with 245. at least i guess he does because he always leaves it on the bar after his shrugs. i thought about carrying the bar over to the treadmill and dropping it on his feet today after he did that.
    That's because he thinks 245 is a big shrug, would be my guess. For shrugs, I warm up with 315, he must be a pussy.

    I warm up with the bar for everything but deads, that's 135.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbtrout View Post
    That's because he thinks 245 is a big shrug, would be my guess. For shrugs, I warm up with 315, he must be a pussy....
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