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    McCain is more bipartisan than Obama

    Sen. John McCain's record of working with Democrats easily outstrips Sen. Barack Obama's efforts with Republicans, according to an analysis by The Washington Times of their legislative records.

    Whether looking at bills they have led on or bills they have signed onto, Mr. McCain has reached across the aisle far more frequently and with more members than Mr. Obama since the latter came to the Senate in 2005.

    In fact, by several measures, Mr. McCain has been more likely to team up with Democrats than with members of his own party. Democrats made up 55 percent of his political partners over the last two Congresses, including on the tough issues of campaign finance and global warming. For Mr. Obama, Republicans were only 13 percent of his co-sponsors during his time in the Senate, and he had his biggest bipartisan successes on noncontroversial measures, such as issuing a postage stamp in honor of civil rights icon Rosa Parks.

    With calls for change in Washington dominating the campaign, both Mr. Obama, the Democrats' presidential nominee, and Mr. McCain, his Republican opponent, have claimed the mantle of bipartisanship.

    But since 2005, Mr. McCain has led as chief sponsor of 82 bills, on which he had 120 Democratic co-sponsors out of 220 total, for an average of 55 percent. He worked with Democrats on 50 of his bills, and of those, 37 times Democrats outnumber Republicans as co-sponsors.

    Mr. Obama, meanwhile, sponsored 120 bills, of which Republicans co-sponsored just 26, and on only five bills did Republicans outnumber Democrats. Mr. Obama gained 522 total Democratic co-sponsors but only 75 Republicans, for an average of 13 percent of his co-sponsors.

    An Obama campaign spokesman declined to comment on The Times analysis.

    McCain campaign surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham, though, said the numbers expose a difference between the two candidates.

    "The number - 55 and 13 - probably shows that one has been more desirous to find common ground than the other. The legislative record of Senator Obama is very thin," said Mr. Graham, South Carolina Republican, who has teamed up with Mr. McCain probably more than any other senator.

    The Times study looked at the bills each man introduced as the chief sponsor, and at the bills sponsored by other senators that each man signed onto. The study excluded resolutions and amendments, focusing instead on measures that each man authored and put into the normal legislative process.

    Former Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, all independents, were grouped with Democrats because each caucused with Democrats during the time under study.

    Bipartisanship is a frequent issue on the campaign trail, with the McCain camp and surrogates such as Mr. Graham arguing the standard is how often someone takes leadership on an issue in defiance of his own party - a measure by which Mr. Obama falls short and Mr. McCain clearly excels.

    He even revels in his stances, telling the audience at a values forum at Saddleback Church in California last month his list is extensive: "Climate change, out-of-control spending, torture." He could have added campaign-finance overhaul, immigration, a patients' bill of rights, gun control and tax cuts as other areas on which he's broken with the majority of his party.

    At the same forum, Mr. Obama said his major break with Democrats came on congressional ethics, when he sponsored a bill to curb meals and gifts from lobbyists.

    In a memo to reporters, his campaign points to bills he worked on that gained near-unanimous support from both parties, including a bill more than a third of the Senate signed onto, sponsored by Sen. Sam Brownback, Kansas Republican, pushing peace initiatives in Sudan, and a bill sponsored by Sen. Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Republican, on charitable contributions that passed by a voice vote in each chamber.

    But foremost, his campaign cites his work teaming up in 2006 with Sen. Richard G. Lugar, Indiana Republican, on the Cooperative Proliferation Detection Act, a noncontroversial measure to secure weapons of mass destruction, and with Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, to force the administration to create a searchable database to track federal spending grants.

    Speaking to reporters during the Republican National Convention earlier this month Obama aide Robert Gibbs said Mr. Lugar and Mr. Coburn would back up Mr. Obama's bipartisanship claims.

    Mr. Lugar's spokesman said the senator is not doing interviews on the subject. Mr. Coburn, in an interview, said Mr. Obama is a good senator to work with, but said there's no comparison to Mr. McCain's long record.

    "Barack is a great guy, a nice guy, he's a good friend of mine. He has passed two pieces of legislation since he's been in the Senate - had his name on two," Mr. Coburn said. He praised Mr. Obama's staff for the work they did on the spending grants bill, but he said Mr. Obama hasn't gone head-to-head against his leadership when it mattered: "Where have you seen him challenge the status quo?"

    Mr. McCain on the campaign trail cites his own frequent Democratic legislative allies such as Mr. Lieberman, with whom he's worked on gun control and global warming; Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, who was his partner for immigration and patients' rights; Sen. Russell D. Feingold of Wisconsin, who worked with him on campaign finance; and Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, who was the top Democrat on the Indian Affairs Committee when Mr. McCain was chairman.

    Mr. Feingold, Mr. Dorgan and Mr. Kennedy didn't respond or declined through spokesmen to talk about the issue. Mr. Lieberman, however, has gone in the opposite direction, endorsing Mr. McCain for office and hitting Mr. Obama for failing to live up to his bipartisan claims.

    Mr. Graham said it was unfortunate people weren't recognizing their work with Mr. McCain.

    "What you've got now is, you've got some people who are afraid to recognize John's bipartisanship because of the nature of the election," Mr. Graham said.

    Mr. Graham has teamed up with Mr. McCain on some of his most contentious bills, including the immigration and campaign-finance fights, and said they both have "the scars to prove" they were in the fights.

    "I have experienced the price that's been paid to help John do some difficult things since 2004," he said.

    Those fights are part of the reason Mr. McCain had trouble securing the Republican presidential nomination, including winning less than 50 percent of Republican primary voters' support, despite clearing the field less than halfway through the primaries.

    The Times analysis found Mr. McCain's most frequent Democratic teammates are Mr. Dorgan, with whom he shared leadership of the Indian Affairs Committee and who co-sponsored 23 of Mr. McCain's bills, and Mr. Lieberman, who signed onto 15 McCain bills.

    Mr. Obama's most frequent Republican partners were Mr. Lugar, who co-sponsored nine Obama bills, and Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota Republican, who signed on to eight of Mr. Obama's measures.

    The bill on which Mr. McCain attracted the most support in the past few years was his plan to combat greenhouse-gas emissions. That bill garnered 16 co-sponsors, 14 of whom were Democrats, including Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrats' vice-presidential nominee. Mr. Obama himself signed onto another of Mr. McCain's global-warming bills.

    Mr. Obama's best successes in attracting co-sponsors came on a bill to boost the union's bargaining power with the Federal Aviation Administration, on which all 38 co-sponsors were Democrats, and a bill to issue a postage stamp honoring Mrs. Parks, which garnered 24 Democrats and 14 Republicans.

    The Times study didn't look at voting, but Congressional Quarterly conducts annual studies of senators' voting records.

    Over his Senate career, Mr. McCain has voted with the majority of Senate Republicans about 85 percent of the time, while in his three years in the Senate Mr. Obama has voted with his party 97 percent of the time.
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    but isnt obama the one for change?

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    first off, there is already a thread for all this talk.


    but if you think this Mccain is the same one that was running for office in 2000 your a clown. Its common sense to know that Mcsame has changed his stance on issues to get aligned w/ the Repub party (i.e Palin). Its fact he has voted the same as Bush at least 90% of the time and that in order for someone to be head of the Republican ticket they have to get in line w/ the party.

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    anyone who calls the candidates McSame or NoBama obviously cannot be taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jilla82 View Post
    first off, there is already a thread for all this talk.


    but if you think this Mccain is the same one that was running for office in 2000 your a clown. Its common sense to know that Mcsame has changed his stance on issues to get aligned w/ the Repub party (i.e Palin). Its fact he has voted the same as Bush at least 90% of the time and that in order for someone to be head of the Republican ticket they have to get in line w/ the party.
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    McCain used to be a maverick, now he's just Bush III.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anelka View Post
    McCain used to be a maverick, now he's just Bush III.
    I'd say that's accurate.

    I think he would have been an okay president 8 years ago, but now he's an old senile puppet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anelka View Post
    McCain used to be a maverick, now he's just Bush III.
    Isn't that amazing?

    Did McCain change, or did the media coverage of him change.

    Of course, the reasons are obvious. The media loved him for 12+ years because he was willing to buck republicans, and the media hates republicans. Now that he is running for the big office under the republican banner, the media can't possibly treat him like they did before.

    Personally, I agree that he is probably too old.
    I also think that Obama is too new.

    This is the state of our elections, once again, we have a crappy choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zen View Post
    Isn't that amazing?

    Did McCain change, or did the media coverage of him change.

    Of course, the reasons are obvious. The media loved him for 12+ years because he was willing to buck republicans, and the media hates republicans. Now that he is running for the big office under the republican banner, the media can't possibly treat him like they did before..
    Very true.

    Quote Originally Posted by zen View Post
    Personally, I agree that he is probably too old.
    I also think that Obama is too new.

    This is the state of our elections, once again, we have a crappy choice.
    Even more true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zen View Post
    Isn't that amazing?

    Did McCain change, or did the media coverage of him change.

    Of course, the reasons are obvious. The media loved him for 12+ years because he was willing to buck republicans, and the media hates republicans. Now that he is running for the big office under the republican banner, the media can't possibly treat him like they did before.

    Personally, I agree that he is probably too old.
    I also think that Obama is too new.

    This is the state of our elections, once again, we have a crappy choice.
    wow very well put....I cant even add anything because that sums it all up

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    Quote Originally Posted by zen View Post
    Isn't that amazing?

    Did McCain change, or did the media coverage of him change.

    Of course, the reasons are obvious. The media loved him for 12+ years because he was willing to buck republicans, and the media hates republicans. Now that he is running for the big office under the republican banner, the media can't possibly treat him like they did before.

    Personally, I agree that he is probably too old.
    I also think that Obama is too new.

    This is the state of our elections, once again, we have a crappy choice.
    Its real simple, If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, well you know the rest. Mccain ran an honorable campaign vs Bush(04). Once he secured the nomination he immediately told the world the straight talk express would run
    a honorable General Election. Everyone believe him because after all you can't question the integrity of a POW.


    Well Mccain has basically sold his soul to the Republican Party on his journey to POTUS.

    1.Most of his Ads are lies, you know its bad when Karl Rove even says Mccain Ads are suspect

    2. Everyone knows he voted with Bush 90% of the time which leaves him 10%. Well he flipped on the 10% to appease the Republican Party so now its really 100% Bush/Cheney

    3. Experience, Experience, Experience against Obama but then He picks Palin. The world knows Palin was picked only for Political purposes and isn't qualified to be President If God forbid something happen to Mccain. So much for his Country First , Experience Theme........

    4.Mccain picking Palin also shows someone else is running the show and not Mccain which is scary.

    His VP selection pretty much sums up why Mccain is being trashed by everyone. He sold his Soul and has shown he would do anything to be POTUS


    Mccain has thrown intergrity out the window and the Media is starting to pick up on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackboard View Post
    Its real simple, If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, well you know the rest. Mccain ran an honorable campaign vs Bush(04). Once he secured the nomination he immediately told the world the straight talk express would run
    a honorable General Election. Everyone believe him because after all you can't question the integrity of a POW.
    As a former military person I would think you would have more respect for a guy who endured the torture he did. Ya, he uses it a lot, but Obama would be doing the same thing and don't tell me he wouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackboard View Post
    1.Most of his Ads are lies, you know its bad when Karl Rove even says Mccain Ads are suspect.
    There is no doubt they are lies and they are dispicable. I was hoping that these two would be above the fray, but McCain was losing his arse, so he went on the attack and found that negative campaigning works. But it is going to turn off the independents in the long run and he will most likely lose b/c of this. Obama was suppose to be the campaign of change and look at his recent commericals. He is just doing the same old politics that he claims to be above. He is only above them when he is winning by a large margin.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackboard View Post
    2. Everyone knows he voted with Bush 90% of the time which leaves him 10%. Well he flipped on the 10% to appease the Republican Party so now its really 100% Bush/Cheney.
    And Obama voted along what party line? 100%? I don't know for sure what it is but I am guessing it is a lot higher then 90%, so not sure what your point is. He has major legislation that proves he reaches across party lines, Obama doesn't have any to show.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackboard View Post
    3. Experience, Experience, Experience against Obama but then He picks Palin. The world knows Palin was picked only for Political purposes and isn't qualified to be President If God forbid something happen to Mccain. So much for his Country First , Experience Theme.........
    So you believe Obama does not have any experience then. And what is Biden? He wasn't a political move to shore up Obama's limited foreign policy? Come on - put down the kool aid and start seeing it from both sides. Everything these guys do is political - Obama is no different.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackboard View Post
    4.Mccain picking Palin also shows someone else is running the show and not Mccain which is scary.
    Uh, ya and Obama makes all of his decisions with no advice or input. Simply look at Obama when he speaks without a teleprompter. Umm, Uhh, Umm, Uhh, Umm. McCain is a terrible speaker, but Obama is terrible without a script.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilltheButcher View Post
    As a former military person I would think you would have more respect for a guy who endured the torture he did. Ya, he uses it a lot, but Obama would be doing the same thing and don't tell me he wouldn't.
    I called him a Hero myself but I'm 100% sure the Media is afraid to question his character because of his POW status.
    Quote Originally Posted by BilltheButcher View Post
    There is no doubt they are lies and they are dispicable. I was hoping that these two would be above the fray, but McCain was losing his arse, so he went on the attack and found that negative campaigning works. But it is going to turn off the independents in the long run and he will most likely lose b/c of this. Obama was suppose to be the campaign of change and look at his recent commericals. He is just doing the same old politics that he claims to be above. He is only above them when he is winning by a large margin.
    And Obama voted along what party line? 100%? I don't know for sure what it is but I am guessing it is a lot higher then 90%, so not sure what your point is. He has major legislation that proves he reaches across party lines, Obama doesn't have any to show.


    Well this election is about Change against Bush and the Republican Party. Mccain is running on change now but his Voting Record is identical to Bush. Please give me examples of Obama Ads being anywhere outrages as Lipstick on a pig(Phrase used by Mccain himself against Hillary) or Obama teaching sex ed to 6 year olds or Obama raising Middle class taxes. All are straight lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by BilltheButcher View Post
    So you believe Obama does not have any experience then. And what is Biden? He wasn't a political move to shore up Obama's limited foreign policy? Come on - put down the kool aid and start seeing it from both sides. Everything these guys do is political - Obama is no different.
    Uh, ya and Obama makes all of his decisions with no advice or input. Simply look at Obama when he speaks without a teleprompter. Umm, Uhh, Umm, Uhh, Umm. McCain is a terrible speaker, but Obama is terrible without a script

    Yes he has experience. We seen him on the World stage over the last two years. His present alone does a 180 when it comes to our foreign image. He was right about Iraq in 2003. If the Democrat big wigs were running Obama he would have picked Hillary as his VP. You and I both know Mccain choice wasn't Palin so somebody is controlling the man.

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    seriously OP, one useless thread of political bickering which is going nowhere isn't enough? You really needed to start another one? The worst part of WBB is all the political know-it-alls who have everything there is to know all figured out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    seriously OP, one useless thread of political bickering which is going nowhere isn't enough? You really needed to start another one? The worst part of WBB is all the political know-it-alls who have everything there is to know all figured out.
    aw I'm sorry you must have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncsuLuke View Post
    aw I'm sorry you must have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think
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