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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    I generally have 2-4 ME lifts in a given week with my power lifting routine, so 8 to 16 a month. I don't think CF is the ideal way to get strong in a PL/SM way. You will get stronger than you were, but if those are your goals (and you want to specialize) I think there are better options.
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    Crossfit convert here....

    All this talk is moot. From my experience, the value of Crossfit can not be measured by discussion. I read up on it and studied videos of the lifts and theory behind Crossfit for nearly a year before i decided just to give it a shot. This is after about 3-4 years of steady training in different ways. Ive been through all the WBB routines, ive done BGB, ive done HIIT in conjunction with all of them. Nothing, and i mean nothing has made me feel as good as Crossfit.

    Am i as strong as when i was doing the other style of workouts? Nope, from a pure numbers standpoint most of my lifts have come down, but so has my body weight. Ive been as heavy as 297lb, and now im at 205lb. Im visibly leaner, you can see my developed abs now. And while i may not lift as much as i used to, my ratio is actually better since my bodyweight is so much lower. I went from from barely being able to do a 2 pullups, to busting out sets of 10 dead hang pullups....and thats just for the warmup before the WoD.

    I for one am appreciative of all the styles i tried. I learned something from all of them, but im now a Crossfitter for life. Its not for everyone, its a very humbling system. It all just depends onw hat your goals are. If you are more concerned about adding another 5 pounds to your PR on the big 3...then be a power lifter. If you want to be an overall athletic animal, Crossfit in addition to your specific training for your chosen sport is the way to go.

    As with everyting else though.....diet and sleep are key.
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    Unless you are at the top of the sport or think you could be, I don't know why anyone would want to be a powerlifter over a crossfitter (defined as being good at all parts of Fitness, regardless of what methodology you use to get there). I think it's a lot more impressive to be good at everything that at one thing. It is more applicable in real life and in sports. Your general health tends to be a lot better, and you generally look better, too.

    That's not to say I don't have a lot of respect for the sport of Powerlifting or the lifters on this board. I think you guys are animals, and I think you are generally more elite than the elite CrossFitters at this point -- the idea of CrossFit is sort-of, kind-of new and we're still seeing big jumps every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingJustin View Post
    Unless you are at the top of the sport or think you could be, I don't know why anyone would want to be a powerlifter over a crossfitter (defined as being good at all parts of Fitness, regardless of what methodology you use to get there). I think it's a lot more impressive to be good at everything that at one thing. It is more applicable in real life and in sports. Your general health tends to be a lot better, and you generally look better, too.

    That's not to say I don't have a lot of respect for the sport of Powerlifting or the lifters on this board. I think you guys are animals, and I think you are generally more elite than the elite CrossFitters at this point -- the idea of CrossFit is sort-of, kind-of new and we're still seeing big jumps every year.


    I can't speak for all of the powerlifters, but I would rather be a powerlifter over crossfitter because I enjoy the training more. A lot of us like to take our sweet time in the gym and don't want someone timing our efforts, lol. I think crossfit type training isn't something to sneeze at, it's just not my cup of tea(not that I even like tea, maybe Iced Tea).
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    Honestly, I'd rather lift heavy things all the time and never do conditioning work. A hell of a lot easier on the brain - that's for sure! But for my goals, the benefits outweigh the negatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingJustin View Post
    , I don't know why anyone would want to be a powerlifter over a crossfitter (defined as being good at all parts of Fitness, regardless of what methodology you use to get there).
    Some people would rather work towards being really good at one thing than fairly good at a bunch. It's not a guarantee that either person will reach their destination, but some people are willing to sacrifice everything else in that persuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    Some people would rather work towards being really good at one thing than fairly good at a bunch. It's not a guarantee that either person will reach their destination, but some people are willing to sacrifice everything else in that persuit.
    I think that made sense until all these CF comps started happening. It makes sense to be really good at something so that you can compete. But, now you can compete at everything at once.

    It's kind of like why I think MMA is superior to boxing or wrestling or BJJ..

    Also, I'm kind of exaggerating and making more bold statements than I really feel here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingJustin View Post
    I think that made sense until all these CF comps started happening. It makes sense to be really good at something so that you can compete. But, now you can compete at everything at once.

    I see what you're saying, but the only people that are competing at CF are people from within CF. While you may be considered "elite" within the CF community, it doesn't mean you'll rate in the outside world. That's what I was getting at. Some people are more interested in being top dog at their respective interest than being decent at a large arrangement of things. Very much the idea of big fish in a big pond versus big fish in a small pond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Rodgers View Post
    I can't speak for all of the powerlifters, but I would rather be a powerlifter over crossfitter because I enjoy the training more. A lot of us like to take our sweet time in the gym and don't want someone timing our efforts, lol. I think crossfit type training isn't something to sneeze at, it's just not my cup of tea(not that I even like tea, maybe Iced Tea).
    I'm all about hitting a 1RM PR. That's why I train.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    Some people would rather work towards being really good at one thing than fairly good at a bunch. It's not a guarantee that either person will reach their destination, but some people are willing to sacrifice everything else in that persuit.
    My lifetime goal (with regards to any sport) is to squat 1,000 pounds. After that, maybe I'll go for a huge bench or deadlift. If not, its staying competitive in PL while working my way down the weight classes. Its opposite of the conventional path most take, but as of now thats what it is. If it happens sooner rather than later, maybe I'll push it and see where it takes me, what my family status is, etc.

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    I don't know if I could be considered elite or have the potential for it, but I'm certainly going to find out.

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    Crossfit sounds really interesting, I def would like to give it a shot, a place here in PA just opened or I just heard of it I guess since I just moved here/. I think it would be good to try and see if it can be incorporated into a strength training routine, because in strongman, strong and conditioned are both needed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pert121 View Post
    Crossfit sounds really interesting, I def would like to give it a shot, a place here in PA just opened or I just heard of it I guess since I just moved here/. I think it would be good to try and see if it can be incorporated into a strength training routine, because in strongman, strong and conditioned are both needed!
    If you do strongman, you should try "Linda:"
    10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 reps for time of:
    Deadlift 1.5x BW
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    So, if you weigh 200 lbs... deadlift 300 lbs 10x, bench 200lbs 10x, squat clean 150lbs 10x. Then do each 9, then 8 .. etc. Time starts on your first rep and ends when you finish the last round on Squat-Cleans.
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    Even better I think would be X reps of tire flip, X reps of stone over bar and then some KB/DB swings, X being relative to what tire/stones you have available, although without the 10-9-8... thing. just a big set done a couple times after rest if need be. or keep looping for 60 seconds. or improve on your time each set from the last time.
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    Well, yeah, that too for sure. "Linda" is just easy to compare to other people. But yeah we did a lot of work with tires and all sorts of other stuff at my old CF gym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingJustin View Post
    Well, yeah, that too for sure. "Linda" is just easy to compare to other people. But yeah we did a lot of work with tires and all sorts of other stuff at my old CF gym.
    Both ideas sound interesting, King Justin, I am not familiar with Linda, is it on the board here or where would I find some info on that?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by manowar669 View Post
    Too bad your first WOD was one of the more boring ones. I hate running anyway.

    I like the WODs with 2-3 barbell exercises, done rapidly. Something like Diane or Fran.

    Or something like this:

    21-15-9 reps of,
    Bodyweight bench press
    225lbs deadlift (for a 180lb male)
    pullups

    It might only take you 6-8 minutes (if you're good), but you'll be sucking wind for while after that, and sore for a day or two all over your body. Of course, you should first do the standard crossfit "warmup", done every workout day. It is 45 pullups, 45 ring dips, and 45 overhead squats (with a bar), situps, hyperextensions. Stretch.

    I like the ME days too. And the 5x5s (or 7x3s) of Squat, deadlift, presses, cleans, etc.

    it may have already been asked cause i havent read it all yet, but how often are the ME days done? and can u give a full WOD example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I see what you're saying, but the only people that are competing at CF are people from within CF. While you may be considered "elite" within the CF community, it doesn't mean you'll rate in the outside world. That's what I was getting at. Some people are more interested in being top dog at their respective interest than being decent at a large arrangement of things. Very much the idea of big fish in a big pond versus big fish in a small pond.

    thats like saying a decathlete isnt really any good because they do ten track events instead of just one. maybe some people enjoy the challenge of having to master many different events, or they may only crack top ten at a single event, but in the whole slew come out on top as the best well rounded athlete. Powerlifting has 3 events, but if u focus on 1 to the exclusion of the others, u will find urself short. the best powerlifters are the most well rounded.
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    ** 1063 squat , 611 bench, and 733 deadlift for 2408 Total
    All Time 242 Squat Record of 1,108 pounds At 228)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Byrd52 View Post
    it may have already been asked cause i havent read it all yet, but how often are the ME days done? and can u give a full WOD example?
    http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html

    Scroll down until you see 'THE "GIRLS"/NAMED WODS' (the original WODS) and below that 'WODS'. There are videos (wmv) of the workouts. Of course, that's not all of them, and that doesn't show 5x5s, 7x3s, etc. ME days vary too, but around 1-3 ME days per 6 workouts. Today's WOD is ME cleans (after your "warmup" of pullups, dips, squats, situps, and hypers). 3 days ago was ME squat, ME military press, and ME DL.

    Quote Originally Posted by pert121 View Post
    Crossfit sounds really interesting, I def would like to give it a shot, a place here in PA just opened or I just heard of it I guess since I just moved here/.
    Where in PA?
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    for those that incorperate it into powerlifting, how do u do that? i think i would need 2 days during the week for upper and lower of heavy weights and the rest is up for grabs.
    All Time 198 Squat Record of 1,050 pounds
    http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?...e=&category=tr

    All Time 220 Squat Record of 1,100 pounds

    ** 1063 squat , 611 bench, and 733 deadlift for 2408 Total
    All Time 242 Squat Record of 1,108 pounds At 228)
    ** 1108 squat , 639 bench, and 700 deadlift for 2447 Total

    What I Lack in Genetics, I Make Up For With Determination and Discipline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Byrd52 View Post
    for those that incorperate it into powerlifting, how do u do that? i think i would need 2 days during the week for upper and lower of heavy weights and the rest is up for grabs.
    Go on the forum and look into ME Blackbox. Its a combination of heavy lifting with MetCon days for conditioning.

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    didnt see it on this or the crossfit forum. could u provide a link for me?
    All Time 198 Squat Record of 1,050 pounds
    http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?...e=&category=tr

    All Time 220 Squat Record of 1,100 pounds

    ** 1063 squat , 611 bench, and 733 deadlift for 2408 Total
    All Time 242 Squat Record of 1,108 pounds At 228)
    ** 1108 squat , 639 bench, and 700 deadlift for 2447 Total

    What I Lack in Genetics, I Make Up For With Determination and Discipline

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    http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=3925&page=1

    I had a full article on it but I must have deleted it. I was going to send it to you. It was $10 from Performance Menu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Byrd52 View Post
    maybe some people enjoy the challenge of having to master many different events, or they may only crack top ten at a single event, but in the whole slew come out on top as the best well rounded athlete. Powerlifting has 3 events, but if u focus on 1 to the exclusion of the others, u will find urself short. the best powerlifters are the most well rounded.

    I'm saying pretty much the same thing as this quote. Specificity rules. Just like you said, the best powerlifters are the most well rounded when competing in a 3 lift meet. However if you compare a well rounded PLer to say a DL specialist, typically the specialist will pull bigger numbers. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being well rounded, but specificity is always going to make the difference when attempting to be that much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubrock View Post
    I'm saying pretty much the same thing as this quote. Specificity rules. Just like you said, the best powerlifters are the most well rounded when competing in a 3 lift meet. However if you compare a well rounded PLer to say a DL specialist, typically the specialist will pull bigger numbers. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being well rounded, but specificity is always going to make the difference when attempting to be that much better.
    no doubt.
    All Time 198 Squat Record of 1,050 pounds
    http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?...e=&category=tr

    All Time 220 Squat Record of 1,100 pounds

    ** 1063 squat , 611 bench, and 733 deadlift for 2408 Total
    All Time 242 Squat Record of 1,108 pounds At 228)
    ** 1108 squat , 639 bench, and 700 deadlift for 2447 Total

    What I Lack in Genetics, I Make Up For With Determination and Discipline

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    One gripe I have about CrossFit is all the equipment needed sometimes. It makes me wish I had my own personal space. It just isn't possible for me to take up so much of the gym sometimes. running from station to station.

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