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    Another Critique, deadlifts

    Please critique my dead lifts. Any and all criticism is welcome. Thanks in advance.

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    Get a vid of some heavier weights. There's not much to tell from that video.

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    I'm no expert, but looks like your hips are coming up first and almost turning it into a SLDL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Moore View Post
    Get a vid of some heavier weights. There's not much to tell from that video.
    I just figured I should learn the proper form before I went heavier...
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    Bench - 290 (291) Pause reps Dead - 500 (479.5) Squat - 446 (430)

    Total - 1236 (1168.4)

    Goals: Bench - 280 met 1/19/09 new goal - 300 Squat - 435 met 11/28/09 new goal 475 Dead - 500 met 1/23/10 new goal 525

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    Right, it looks like a modified SLDL. Also its a DEADlift. The weight needs to be dead on the ground before each rep.

    Try looking up to maintain a small arch in your back.

    Lastly, pull the bar up your shins and thighs- PULL BACK
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    Ok, thanks for the responses, but I'll be honest. I don't see much of a difference between mine and cp's that were recently posted, other than a little difference in back arch...

    I put them side by side and they look very similar...

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    I'll let the smarter people critique b/n us. I normally aim for "big chest", shoulders back, leg drive, and then finish by pushing the hips through to finish. Probably saying any of that right.
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    CP, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downgrade your lift. In fact I watched your video a bunch of times because the guys said it looked good. That's all.

    And I do appreciate the advice. You guys are the experts, not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cphafner View Post
    I'm no expert, but looks like your hips are coming up first and almost turning it into a SLDL.
    I though the first movement was at the hips??

    What should be the first thing to move??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMonkey View Post
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    I've watched both those videos like 5 times. I'm having a hard time distinguishing what I'm doing differently, that's all...
    Last edited by Painzer; 11-05-2008 at 09:26 PM.
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    CP's dead on. Your upper back seems really rounded Painzer. CP is right, that the cue should be to push your chest out, get those shoulder blades together. I would also agree that your hips are comming up just a little too quick, but that may more stem from you letting the bar get too far in front of you. Keep the bar close, butt down and push that chest out.

    Certainly not the worst deadlift form I've ever seen. Deadlifting is hard to get down, but once you do its second nature


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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    that the cue should be to push your chest out, get those shoulder blades together.
    My workout partner was the first to really show my shoulder blade thing. It was a real awakening in dead form.
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    LOL are you looking to your left while you're deadlifting? If you are, make sure to keep looking straight ahead and a little up. Your legs should almost be the last part to lock out. Meaning your hips should be locking out just about the same time as your legs, not way before


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    Ok, thanks. That's what I needed to know. I did look left at a few points because there was a side mirror over there and I was trying to see if my butt was getting down to where I thought it needed to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bell View Post
    Meaning your hips should be locking out just about the same time as your legs, not way before
    ok. But also if you look at the second video that Zen posted, the first girl and the dude with the black backwards hat, you see that their legs lock way early...

    that's why I'm getting mixed opinions on what a dead lift should look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Painzer View Post
    I though the first movement was at the hips??

    What should be the first thing to move??
    Knees then hips.

    Like the others said, shoulders back, chest out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painzer View Post
    ok. But also if you look at the second video that Zen posted, the first girl and the dude with the black backwards hat, you see that their legs lock way early...

    that's why I'm getting mixed opinions on what a dead lift should look like.
    this is what your deadlift should look like, aside from Greg's slightly rounded upper back which is more of an effect of the deadlift suit rather than poor form.

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    notice how his knees lock out just a second or two before his hips do


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    Ok, but I also noticed that the first thing to move was his hips...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Painzer View Post
    Ok, but I also noticed that the first thing to move was his hips...
    What they mean by your hips coming up first is that you look like you're locking your knees out (thus the references to SLDL) way before you lock out your hips. In reality, you should lock both out about the same time.

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    Painzer,

    Check out this vid of pro John Bernor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPmYpxqBVG0
    Last edited by NightStorm; 11-08-2008 at 03:51 PM.

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    Your form is "good" it will get better with practice. Think about pushing your heels through the floor to start the lift, once the weight is off the ground and moving pull back by digging your heels into the ground and "pushing" back with your feet.

    It sounds weird but if you imagine the deadlift starting with your lower back you are going to get that SLDL motion more often than not, if you push down and back with your heals you will get the correct motion and drag that bar up your shins and thighs, no blood, you did it wrong!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MNRob View Post
    Painzer

    Your form is "good" it will get better with practice. Think about pushing your heels through the floor to start the lift, once the weight is off the ground and moving pull back by digging your heels into the ground and "pushing" back with your feet.

    It sounds weird but if you imagine the deadlift starting with your lower back you are going to get that SLDL motion more often than not, if you push down and back with your heals you will get the correct motion and drag that bar up your shins and thighs, no blood, you did it wrong!!!!
    Never heard to do that before. Sounds like a good tip. Thanks for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MNRob View Post
    Painzer

    Your form is "good" it will get better with practice. Think about pushing your heels through the floor to start the lift, once the weight is off the ground and moving pull back by digging your heels into the ground and "pushing" back with your feet.

    It sounds weird but if you imagine the deadlift starting with your lower back you are going to get that SLDL motion more often than not, if you push down and back with your heals you will get the correct motion and drag that bar up your shins and thighs, no blood, you did it wrong!!!!
    Awesome. Thanks.

    NS, thanks for the video...
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    Bench - 290 (291) Pause reps Dead - 500 (479.5) Squat - 446 (430)

    Total - 1236 (1168.4)

    Goals: Bench - 280 met 1/19/09 new goal - 300 Squat - 435 met 11/28/09 new goal 475 Dead - 500 met 1/23/10 new goal 525

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