I read threads here that are so against lifting for physique reasons. Why, isn't that the goal of bodybuilding?
And why so anti-curl? I'm no expert, but if someone is doing a program based on heavy compounds, I don't see how throwing in a few sets of curls will hurt, they can only help. Please enlighten me.
I'll have to gain a bunch of weight just to be skinny, and then a bunch more to even look like I lift weights.
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The main issue I think many members have is novice lifters stressing about bicep programs when they should be focusing on eating and adding weight to the bar.
The initial training for a bodybuilder or a powerlifter is the same. Build a strong strength and muscular base then worry about the program specific details like ME work or bicep training.
Last edited by Sidior; 11-25-2008 at 10:57 PM.
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Also, though, I think while this forum may have a bodybuilding side, it's predominantly composed of powerlifters. Powerlifters and bodybuilders have different goals. So when it comes to throwing curls into compound based routines, some powerlifters don't want to waste time/energy/fatigue on curls when they're going to need all their power for ME compounds.
Last edited by Lunar Effect; 11-26-2008 at 11:11 AM.
It has a lot do to with the fact that most people asking questions about how to get huge arms with there 7-7-7 or whatever routines or bench/curl days 3-4x a week only weigh 140lbs.
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Ya, most new guys that want to be "bodybuilders" think that they have to train like the bodybuilders that have already been in the game for many many years. It makes logical sense to think that you have to train every individual muscle group with several different isolation exercises in order to hit each muscle from all different angles and what not. It's understandable why many people would think this way.
It's kind of hard to really accept the fact that a solid strength base (which comes along with lots of muscle mass as well) is necessary to build before getting into the finer details of specific training (bringing up lagging bodyparts w/ isolation exercises) if you have always been told that bodybuilders train a certain way (via word of mouth at the gym, in bodybuilding magazines, on bodybuilding websites, etc...).
I never really knew about that whole thing until I read the book called 'the new rules of lifting', which basically disproved every myth that I had currently thought was the truth. I gave it a shot, and I quickly realized that I had been missing out on serious gains for YEARS by wasting my time on bodypart splits with tons of isolation exercises (and not doing any leg work either like most typical gym guys).
So after doing the "all compounds" thing for about 2 1/2 years now, it's all starting to make much more sense to me. Everyone should basically start out the same way whether they want to be a bodybuilder, powerlifter, strongman, oly lifter or whatever. Everyone should get as strong as they can using only the major compound lifts. That type of training could last several years, before switching it up. After a few years of training like that, then they should choose what they want to focus on and train specifically for that. If it is bodybuilding, then high volume, heavy workouts composed primarily of compound lifts, mixed with a few isolations for each bodypart with hypertrophy as the specific goal would seem like a good idea. If powerlifting, then a "powerlifting specific" routine such as a westside split would then be a good idea. If strongman, then heavy circuit training (like Tom M's stuff) focusing on both strength and endurance would be the route to go.
But everyone should all probably start out doing generally the same thing, IMO. Most people on here realize that, which is why this site is a pretty damn good resource of information. So a lot of "bodybuilders" look at the way I train as powerlifting training, when in reality I'm still just working on the foundation.
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There is nothing wrong with a couple of sets of curls, or other isolation exercise. There is a problem if they are done at a priority to compound lifts, or have entire days devoted to them.
I have had my best results with a split that has absolutely no "isolation" movements. 4 compounds 3 days a week + 1 snatch/cnj day. I can barely handle that. Im sure if I wanted some curls there would be no problem but I have a hard time finding the energy to walk out of the gym as is
ive been kind of confused with this also... im looking for a good physique but i am looking to build strength also. is more reps for a endurance/physique and less than 8 reps more for power lifting? powerlifting vs bodybuilding ?
short term goal: 200
Long term goal: Lean 225
zen what program was/is that?
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There is a happy medium known as "powerbuilding" where lifters will train for strength (1-5 reps) with the squats, bench, and deads, but then focus on hypertrophy (6-12 reps) for all other exercises.