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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Ski season is here, might have to drop Madcow, suggestions?

    So it's ski season, and after my first trip to the slopes on Sat, after a Madcow Friday (hypertrophy day), I realized I just can't squat 3 times a week and keep enough leg strength (or lack of fatigue) to ski at least 3 days a week as well. Need fresh legs for those slopes! Now, I'm still making gains with Madcow after only 5 weeks so I really don't want to drop it, so I thought about just cutting down on the squatting. But.. it seems a bit foolish to weaken what is essentially the most dominant (most performed) exercise in the routine.

    I thought about just pulling back to squatting 2x a week, at lighter weights. Essentially removing the last and heaviest set. Basically just doing maintenance squatting.

    Thoughts? Should I just pick up a whole new routine?

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    I snowboarded almost every day while squatting three times a week last year. I would even squat before snowboarding or vice versa. It's tough at first, but your body will adapt.

    If you feel like you need extra time to recover, by all means, take it.

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    What is higher on your list of priorities? Getting stronger? or getting better at skiing?
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    I live 10 minutes from Snowbird, Utah. I love to ski, but I can't imaging squatting 3 times a week during ski season. There's no way.

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    forget squatting, go ski bro

    maybe try an upper/lower routine with light/heavy days. in affect, you'd only be squatting heavy once per week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detard View Post
    What is higher on your list of priorities? Getting stronger? or getting better at skiing?
    hahaha, I personally cannot wait to go snowboarding at camelback or mt. creek..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12u$$eLL- View Post
    hahaha, I personally cannot wait to go snowboarding at camelback or mt. creek..
    Just stay away from Blue Mountain. Damn snowboarders. Where you from? Southern NY, Northern Jersey?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez View Post
    I snowboarded almost every day while squatting three times a week last year. I would even squat before snowboarding or vice versa. It's tough at first, but your body will adapt.

    If you feel like you need extra time to recover, by all means, take it.
    This week is bad for my lifting schedule anyway, so I may take the rest of this week off, recover fully. And play it by ear next week. Squat light 3x, ski when I can, see what my legs get used to.

    With how expensive it is to ski, and how short the season is, I want to get as much in as I can.
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    Actually Central Jersey near the shore.. I went to blue mt. once last winter break.. I liked it, slopes seemed a bit harder than camel back but it was pretty fun.
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    I run for ROTC now in school (and I suck at running, so I have to run a lot, which I HATE). I only squat 1x/week (I get a hammie workout 1x/week too though, so I do hit legs 2x/week), and I am losing a bit of strength in my legs, but I know where my priorities lie (I need money for school).

    Where are your priorities? That's pretty much what it comes down to. If you want to get in whatever you can in the short snowboarding season, by all means go for it. You shouldn't lose much strength, you'll enjoy yourself, and you can gain strength back in the off season.

    Besides, cardio has its benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVrolok View Post
    Squat light 3x
    IMHO, you're better off squatting heavy once a week than light 3x a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVrolok View Post
    Just stay away from Blue Mountain. Damn snowboarders. Where you from? Southern NY, Northern Jersey?



    This week is bad for my lifting schedule anyway, so I may take the rest of this week off, recover fully. And play it by ear next week. Squat light 3x, ski when I can, see what my legs get used to.

    With how expensive it is to ski, and how short the season is, I want to get as much in as I can.
    Haha, you know it man. Blue Mountain gets a crazy amount of boarders that just push the finely graveled "powder" away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrink View Post
    Haha, you know it man. Blue Mountain gets a crazy amount of boarders that just push the finely graveled "powder" away.
    Don't blame that on snowboarders. It's a result of inexperience of both snowboarders and skiiers. It just so happens that snowboarding is being taken up by a lot more people than skiing, so it seems disproportionately like snowboarders' fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Sanchez View Post
    I snowboarded almost every day while squatting three times a week last year. I would even squat before snowboarding or vice versa. It's tough at first, but your body will adapt.

    If you feel like you need extra time to recover, by all means, take it.
    I have found this as well (snowboarding does not tire me in the slightest, even going 4-6 hours a day with nowt but a lunch break). I am beginning to wonder if skiing is tougher than snowboarding endurance-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ_H View Post
    I have found this as well (snowboarding does not tire me in the slightest, even going 4-6 hours a day with nowt but a lunch break). I am beginning to wonder if skiing is tougher than snowboarding endurance-wise.
    I think skiing is harder on the quads and lower back than boarding. Unless you are like me and just learning to board - getting off your ass all day wears you out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kjd2121 View Post
    I think skiing is harder on the quads and lower back than boarding. Unless you are like me and just learning to board - getting off your ass all day wears you out.

    Try standing on a hill, waiting to drop in to the park or competition, while holding yourself from sliding down the hill. Yeah your thighs will probably start burning
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVrolok View Post
    So it's ski season, and after my first trip to the slopes on Sat, after a Madcow Friday (hypertrophy day), I realized I just can't squat 3 times a week and keep enough leg strength (or lack of fatigue) to ski at least 3 days a week as well. Need fresh legs for those slopes! Now, I'm still making gains with Madcow after only 5 weeks so I really don't want to drop it, so I thought about just cutting down on the squatting. But.. it seems a bit foolish to weaken what is essentially the most dominant (most performed) exercise in the routine.

    I thought about just pulling back to squatting 2x a week, at lighter weights. Essentially removing the last and heaviest set. Basically just doing maintenance squatting.

    Thoughts? Should I just pick up a whole new routine?
    Do you have a link to the exact program you are following? I just searched for "madcow" and it turned up a few links related to bodybuilding, but nothing definite.

    I'm just curious to read more about the routine.

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    even when I started out, I never really found snowboarding that hard on the thighs.
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