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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Gaglione Strength Chris Rodgers's Avatar
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    My little cousin, who is 13-14 years old, wants to start working out. His father was gonna help him out, but then was like 'why don't you ask your cousin, he knows his shiat', or something like that. Anyway, he lives around the block, so I can train him or at least show him the exercises in my gym.


    Ok here's the way it looks. He is a pretty big boy. He is already taller than me and weighs about 165. He has been in sports for a few years, playing baseball, football and now wrestling. He isn't like freaky genetically muscular, he just seems to be a big boy. Like a lineman in football build.


    Any suggestions on what I should show him? I was thinking of a basic full body routine. Start off real light, teaching him technique, then start to increase weight. You think I should teach him squats and deads? Or stick to more basic off the bat? Basically, I don't want to lead him the wrong way, especially because he is my cousin and my Uncle, being a cop, has a gun! hehe


    Any suggestions, especially from you PT's, like mac, would be appreciated. Thanks.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 515 SQ 295 BE 570 DL.....1375 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    515 SQ 302.5 BE 585 DL

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    If he's 13-14 as you say and hasn't had all his growth spurts then it might not be a good idea to have him trainning with weights yet.

    Bodyweight exercises would be better to prime him while he is young e.g. push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups and then sprinting etc... to build fitness and stamina.
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    Look LATMAN first of all don't beleive in any of this ****!!!!
    just let him try to do excesices while sitting or laying on a bench and specially in shoulders excersices!!!!
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    What the hell are you blabbing on about?....
    "Geordie/'d3c:di/n. & adj. Brit colloq. n. 1 a native of Tyneside. 2 the dialect spoken on Tyneside. adj. of or relating to Tyneside, its people, or its dialect. [the name George + -IE]

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    Youth Resistance Training

    It is the current position of the NSCA that:

    1. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program is safe for children.

    2. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can increase the strength of children.

    3. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to enhance the motor fitness skills and sports performance of children.

    4. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to prevent injuries in youth sports and recreational activities.

    5. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can help to improve the psychosocial well-being of children.

    6. A properly designed and supervised resistance training program can enhance the overall health of children.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    Kidman-what are you trying to say?
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 515 SQ 295 BE 570 DL.....1375 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    515 SQ 302.5 BE 585 DL

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    i don't think wieght training will mess up his growth. one of my best friends started training at the age of 11 now he's taller than both his parents.

    hey mac
    what do u think a "A properly designed and supervised resistance training program" is?
    could u suggest a routine?
    "Discipline is never an end itself, only a means to an end." - Robert Fripp

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    Yeah MDS, that's what I was thinking too.


    What'll it be mac?
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
    @165- 435 SQ 270 BE 560 DL.....1255 total
    @181- 515 SQ 295 BE 570 DL.....1375 total
    Best Meet Lifts(Multi-ply):
    @148- 575 SQ 315 BE 515 DL.....1400 total
    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
    @181- 700 SQ 375 BE 535 DL.....1605 total
    Best Gym Lifts(Raw w/wraps)
    515 SQ 302.5 BE 585 DL

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    You shouldn't teach him deads or squats, he's already bigger than you and it'll just be embarassing if he passes you up on those lifts.

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    haha Good one

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    Here are some tips to keep in mind, somone at that age should try do as many different types of exercise. In otherwords variety is key,it is known as "multilateral training". That means he should try to do activities such as , biking, swimming, running, etc.
    I would encourage him to to practice alot of movements that are preformed in his sports that he plays.
    As for strenght and power training he should be supervised if possible.
    I can't stress enough the importance of FORM and TECHNIQUE. They are one of the building blocks to a succesful and injury free weight lifter. Something else that should be stressed is building a base to which he can wrok from. For example he should look at strengthening the core muscles first through lifts such as the Squat,Bench press, chin ups, push ups and crunches.
    Stretching is something that should not be ignored as well, alot of teenagers I have worked with have poor flexibilty which hampers their form and technique, it also can lead to muscle pulls and injuries.

    It also seems that alot of teenage boys are stronger in their upper bodies compared to their lower bodies, I try to stress balancing their training as they like to show off in the gym by doing alot of benching and bicep exercises.

    A program would be based on his schedule. If he is involved in several sports I would suggest keeping his strength training to a minimum of once a week. Once his sports has ended he can spend increasingly more and more time in the gym.

    I can't give a program because I know nothing about him.

    I hoped that helped, if you need more info let me know, I'm happy to help where I can
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    after 8, it should be pretty safe to lift heavy. i dunno, it seems that like i've repeated this so much: lifting doesn't mess up growth, it encourages it. when ur skeleton is stimulated w/ pressure (like heavy weights) GH is released. a lot of ppl who start off young usually end up pretty huge, w/ no problems
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    when training someone new to lifting, who has limited interest, you have to give him a program he will enjoy.

    have him train his entire body, but if he likes decline cable reverse supination corkscrew curls, let him do them.

    show him a variety of exercises for each part, ask him which 2-3 he enjoys the most. have him do those exercises.

    you just have to get him to like lifting, when he starts to show interest, teach him the more complicated aspects of weight lifting.

    btw, if he makes fun of you becuase you're smaller than him, he's right.
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    Originally posted by Cackerot69
    but if he likes decline cable reverse supination corkscrew curls, let him do them.

    Lol
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    [q]have him train his entire body, but if he likes decline cable reverse supination corkscrew curls, let him do them. [/q]

    if he doesn't do the right excersizes, he won't see satisfactory results, and might quit. ie. i find squats boring and painful, but i see results. personally, i think self-discipline is very important, and if one cannot teach himself to go through boring workouts, then that person will quit.

    maybe u can tell him stories about arnold and the like, and how they pushed themselves like crazy (altho arnold's methods are overtraining, at least they're inspirational).
    "No one can completely believe that I am natural.
    The most important drug is to train like a madman
    -really like a madman
    The people who accuse me are those who have never trained once in their life as I train every day of my life."

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    1988, 1992, 1996 Olympic gold medalist

    current stats (10/19/03): 20yrs, M, 5'4 @160lbs, ~11% body fat
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    Originally posted by Podium Kreatin
    [q]have him train his entire body, but if he likes decline cable reverse supination corkscrew curls, let him do them. [/q]

    if he doesn't do the right excersizes, he won't see satisfactory results, and might quit. ie. i find squats boring and painful, but i see results. personally, i think self-discipline is very important, and if one cannot teach himself to go through boring workouts, then that person will quit.

    maybe u can tell him stories about arnold and the like, and how they pushed themselves like crazy (altho arnold's methods are overtraining, at least they're inspirational).
    IMO it is a combo of what Crack and Podium said.
    Along with a properly designed and supervised routine.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    "if he doesn't do the right excersizes, he won't see satisfactory results"

    he's a newbie, he will see results as long as he progresses and is consistent.

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