I see a lot of people here recommend Starting Strength. I was going to start Stronglift 5x5 tommorow, but I was just wondering if I would be better off with Starting Strength. I have been lifting for about 1.5 years but was ready for a change. I can only see a few differences in the two, but let me know if i'm wrong.
if your looking into a 5x5 program, i would suggest Bill Starr's 5x5.
Stronglifts is just a ripoff that favors unneccesarily large volume, and advocates rows over cleans.
Thanks for the advice, I have looked at Bill Stars 5x5 although it was just briefly. I will look at it again in the AM.
Keep in mind that there are literally hundreds of various bill Starr routines out there... The man would often devise a 5x5 on an individual basis so that's why you have so many. I can vouche for the madcow variant that is floating around. I've just finished 7 weeks on it and its produced great gains both in size and strength.
And the madcow version subs bent rows for power cleans. This is ok for me since I want to powerlift, and the bent rows help my deadlift.
Post some current stats of yours and future goals and we can better reccomend a routine.
The routine is less important than the hard work you put into it.
Stronglifts has outstanding explanations of the main lifts and great supplementary information... but unfortunatley it is also peddles a wannabe Kethnaab's version of Starting Strength, with an added 40% volume and additional mandatory accessory exercises. Here is how the designer of Stronglifts 5x5 justifies his approach:
Originally Posted by Mehdi, Founder of Stronglifts
Exactly, it is "useful as the weight is so low," and it stops being useful as soon as respectable poundages are being moved (and isn't that the goal?).
Never-the-less, even at a lower weight this still isn't as useful:
5x5x45lb = 1125 lbs. tonnage (bar only)
3x5x75lb = 1125 lbs tonnage (bar + 30 lbs)
One might take this to mean that starting 'Stronglifts' with an empty barbell is equal to starting 'Starting Strength' with 75 pounds, but it's not. You also have to look at intensity, which is a percentage of your maximum strength. True, they both have equal volume, but Starting Strength has a higher Intensity which will result in stimulating more growth.
He also says that the extra 10 repetitions per lift will help with technique, but in Starting strength there are an extra 20 repetitions of warm-ups with lighter weight that accomplish the same goal.
One other thing: Getting to 3x5x315 on Starting Strength is very doable. Getting to 5x5x315 on StrongLifts 5x5 would require genetic perfection.
No, the original Starting Strength, Mark Rippetoe's version, is the best way to go about gaining strength as fast as possible for as long as possible. You will be doing just as much volume on Starting Strength, but you'll be doing it because of the increased intensity with heavier weight, not because of increased sets with lighter weights. Plus StrongLifts doesn't include powercleans in their program, and they are arguably one of the most effective exercises a beginner can do.
Starting Strength Wiki
Mil. Press: 165x5
If you believe in your program and work your ass off, it will work for you. Just pick something and stick with it.
Stats: Age: 34 Weight: 205 Height: 5'6"
Gym PRs: Squat:635 Bench:560 Deadlift:495
Meet PRs: Squat:575 Bench:520 Deadlift:510 Total: 1605@220
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Goal To be the Strongest Huggins! - started again on 2/24/11 then again 2/27/12
squat: 420 405 x 5
bench: 355 320 x 3
deadlift: 455 420 x 3
Total 1215 on a single day
I'm sorta in your position. I started weight-lifting about 2 years ago following my own routine which involved working out 5 times a week, hitting each major body part twice a week.
Did I get big? With proper nutrition, yes, I did in fact gain over 60 pounds.
After my debut w/ cancer, in which I lost a lot of my gains and strength, I have decided to try Starting Strength. And within 3 months, my lifts are much much stronger than when I had been doing my previous routine.
Whatever routine you do choose, if you eat enough, you will gain. However, I would STRONGLY recommend you become proficient with the big 3 lifts first.. I promise you will see much better results, much faster.
Well, I started Stronglifts today and even though I didn't start with just the bar and started with what I thought or knew I could lift. I loved it.
Honestly, I don't think it matters that much which one you do. Beginners really don't need a lot of moderate-high intensity volume to make progress. They DO need lots of practice however and should be getting that in warm-ups, extra sets, etc. in addition to the work sets.
A child does not learn to squat from the top down. In other words, he does not suddenly make a conscious decision one day to squat. Actually, he is squatting one day and make the conscious decision to stand. Squatting precedes standing in the developmental sequence. This is the way a child's brain learns to use the body as the child develops movement patterns. Therefore, a child is probably crawling, rocks back into a squatting position with the back completely relaxed and the hips completely flexed, and stands when he has enough hip strength. This approach makes a lot of sense and can be applied to relearning the deep squat movement if it is lost. -Gray Cook
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