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    Wannabebig New Member
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    Skinny dude Gets Serious (needs help)

    I'm a dude that has struggled with half assed efforts of 4 years of 3 month spurts of going to the gym for 3-4 times a week with little to nothing to show for it. The type that loves to read and gather information about lifting with the mindset that its going to help when i finally get serious.

    Now is the time.

    I'm discouraged with the amount of conflicting information, both scientifically backed and experienced based on nutrition and workouts, so after reading everything, and evaluating all sources, i have come up with a plan to get me started, keeping in mind that it will be evolving as i go, to meet my specific needs.

    Enough of that. The Starting Stats
    Height: 6'1''
    Weight: 177 (naked in the morning after a piss)
    BF%: 16.5 (says my lame 100$ BF% scale)

    4 pictures
    Front, unflexed
    Back, unflexed
    Front, flexed, i dont know what the crap i am doing
    Back, flexed, again, no idea, doesnt matter, you get the point, im weak.

    Bench (1 rep max): 150lbs
    Squat (1 rep max): 125lbs (I know, i suck, its apparent)
    Pull-ups: 5 un-aided
    Push-ups, 1 set to failure: 30 (the last 5 look like piss)

    The GOALS
    Bulk up to something respectable with 10% bodyfat
    -by this i would mean 190 with 10% bodyfat which is a 23lb gain in muscle mass.
    Have a command over my bodyweight
    -be able to bench my weight 10 times
    -be able to do 15 pull ups
    -be able to do 75 push ups
    -be able to squat and deadlift like a non pussy

    Time Line, 18 months: 7/1/2010

    The PLAN
    1) Work Out
    2) Eat
    3) Eat
    4) Sleep

    These seem to be the pillars of how to get things done for people that have a hard time putting on muscle. But ill get a bit more specific here:

    Im modeling the first 4 weeks of this workout routine after weeks 5-9 of WBB1.1, Im replacing some of the stuff i don't like doing with other things that will keep me motivated.

    3 or 4 day split
    4 sets, 10 reps first 2 sets, 8 reps or till failure last 2 sets
    70-80% of 1 rep max
    1.5 min of rest time between sets
    40 minute limit in gym (this is tough to keep to, i usually go over with abs)
    If i only go 3 times during the week, Day 4 will get skipped.

    Day 1 - Upper
    Straight Arm Pull Downs
    Flat Bench Press or Dumbbell Chest Press
    Standing or Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press
    Variation of Standing Biceps Curls

    Day 2 - Lower
    Front Squat/Back Squat
    Good Morning Replacement?? Back Extensions???
    Alternating Lunges
    Standing Calve Raises
    Hammer Strength Machine Ab Crunch

    Day 3 - Upper
    Seated Lat Pull Down, pull-up grip
    Seated Wide Grip Cable Row or One Arm Dumbbell Rows
    Push Ups (variations)
    Dumbbell Skull Crushers
    Lower Abs

    Day 4 - Lower & Ab
    Deadlifts (Extra Sets)
    Seated Calve Raises
    Walk Outs
    Swiss Ball Crunches
    Weighted Oblique Crunches

    I want this workout to be both challenging, and engaging, and one that promotes growth for my body type. I modified WBB1.1 to remove some of the double work on the main muscle groups, because from my readings, overtraining for hardgainers can be a big problem.

    I will be posting all of my workouts in a standard format starting tomorrow, its getting late, and my workout from tonight has made me tired.

    I am keeping a fitday account and i will be tracking and posting my food intakes until i can consistantly hit my daily goals.

    200g protein
    3500 calories

    Im keeping it simple, to keep on track during the start. I will be eating MOSTLY clean, with complex cabs and good fats, and real food, but will need to fudge where necessary. (meats, cheese, milk, nuts, meats, meats, whole wheats, etc.)

    Keeping this simple, with protein shakes and vitamins, and from what i have read the best supplement.

    2 GNC Brand 40g protein shakes a day (3 if on a workout day)
    1 Muscle Milk slow metabolizing Protein Shake before bed on workout days
    1 daily vitamin for builders, twice daily
    creatine monohydrate or ethyl ester

    Nutrient Timing
    Keeping this simple too, only a few principles
    Complex carbs 2-3 hours before a workout
    Simple carbs 30 min before and during workout
    Simple carbs directly after workout with Creatine for muscle absorbtion
    Protein shake, directly after workout

    Im looking for ANY feedback on anything i have posted today, as these will be my guiding principles for the next 4 weeks until i evaluate if my routine needs to be modified. This 4 week goal is to get into the mindset, put on some bulk, and get ready for the long haul of bulk bulk bulk cut bulk bulk bulk cut cycle needed to get me to 190/10%.

    Can we get an estimate on my BF% i feel 16 is high for what i look like, but then again, i am flabby.

    Also, if anyone could shed light on the insulin thing... not taking supplements, just how my body's insulin can be anabolic, the articles out there suck, including the ones on this site.

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    Resolute -JM-'s Avatar
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    You can read and read all you want, but sometimes its just best to get in there and do it. The reason you have encountered so much conflicting information is most likely because what works for one individual may not work for another.

    Stick to the basics, work hard, eat plenty and find out what works for YOU.

    The PLAN
    1) Work Out
    2) Eat
    3) Eat
    4) Sleep
    ^This will be a great start.

    Good luck!
    This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; the being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; the being a force of Nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy - George Bernard Shaw

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    Wannabebig New Member
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    thanks! i will need the luck!

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    Loves gravy mattburns's Avatar
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    You seem fairly clued up and well read, all you really need to do is put it into practice.

    If you do eat 3500+ cals and 200g+ of protein a day and lift heavy then I'm sure you'll see results in a couple of months.

    Good luck.

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