The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Senior Member endymion88's Avatar
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    sumo deadlifting in 5/3/1?

    i'm curious if we can use sumo deadlifting in wendlers 5/3/1 i didn't see him address it.. thanks in advance.

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    I say yes.
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    i was thinking that too, i'm freaking pumped to get started on this, i'm damn sick of runnin myself into the wall with so much volume from westside type training. i wonder if it would be a good idea to run it doing conventional to pick up lagging muscles then when it stalls then switch back to sumo but i'm unsure if he advised against it.
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    I do. I don't think it really matters. What ever stance you prefer to pull with, use it. With this program, I'm pulling wide and squatting fairly narrow. I can't squat wide unless I have my briefs on so it works for me.
    Age: 24 Height: 5'9" Weight: 185

    Gym PRs: 365/240/440=1045

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    I'm sure if you asked him that personally, he'd say it doesn't ****ing matter, just pull!
    Age: 24 Height: 5'9" Weight: 185

    Gym PRs: 365/240/440=1045

    People need to quit ****ing asking what they need to do, exercise wise, until they reinforce their technique - Dave Tate

    The never-ending pursuit of becoming Strong(er) - My Westside journal

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    lol i sent him a question on elite with the q/a but he hasn't gotten to it yet so i figured i'd look here instead of waiting.

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    I have been doing this program since Wendler's first book came out. I started sumo with the DL and a narrow stance with squat. I now cycle out lifts and track rep maxes with different variations to keep things challenging and prevent burn-out:

    For DL:
    Sumo
    Conventional
    Deficit

    For SQ
    Regular SQ
    Safety SQ bar
    Box SQ

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    i'd probly attempt that but i like this program for it's sheer simplicity plus with the percentages and the deloads i dont really see there being burnout.

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    I track my PR's in lifts and keep the list on a clip on my car's sun visor as a reminder. This came from training westside and tracking PR's in many lifts (2-board, 3-board, bench, incline, SQ, Box, DL, Deficit, etc...).

    So, I guess I wanted to marry how I've challenged my training in the past with the 5/3/1. You are right and I agree that the rep max and 4-week cycle does prevent the burnout I've experienced in the past.

    I've also tried to pay more attention to high and low carb days by reading the elite logs from Starnes and Harris.

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