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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    I never denied the LA riots were not race driven at all i agree with you. But im citing that along with race there was long standing tensions that were built out of race relations as well as a corrput police force.


    im also a believer in that corrolation and causation are two different things, i never said that racial tensions caused a rise in gun sales and laws but there is a strange corrolation between sign of the times and the gun laws enacted.


    my base point is a true race war like the riots wont happen unless a catastrophic event does occur that finally tips the scales into full on martial law race war, which honestly i wish never happens

    Well in that case, I agree with you.

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    Historical Date: April 17, 2009


    BigCorey and Chubrock agree on a point


    truly a momentous day, now anything is possible.....


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    Can't say I agree with absolutely everything in that post, but for the most part you hit the nail on the head. Momentous day indeed.

    Fuck, fight, or hold the light.

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    I hope there is never a race war , I'd be fighting half my friends , exgirlfriends and two of my own kids . Damn .

    Besides I dont want white people mad at me when I buy skittles and tahitian treat .
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    along with the cognac and grape soda
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    I thought it was purple drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Beast View Post
    Without taking this thread into another entirely different direction, I humbly yet strongly disagree. That's a cute thought, though.

    Go to combat 4 times and stand shoulder to shoulder with people of every ethnic background and then tell me if you view them as a different "race" or just people.
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    If one were to read what Thomas Jefferson wrote in the declaration there should have been one already. He said that governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consrnt of the governed (us). That whenever any form of government becomes destructiveto these ends it is the right of the people to abolish it and to institute new government. i do not think it will be a state by state thing. I think it will be a people thing with groups from all over the countryholding some sort of rebellion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikkstah View Post
    Go to combat 4 times and stand shoulder to shoulder with people of every ethnic background and then tell me if you view them as a different "race" or just people.
    I never suggested considering anyone of another race any less of an American, or a human. But race exists. I respect the fact you serve our nation very much, but that doesn't take away the fact that race does exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Beast View Post
    I never suggested considering anyone of another race any less of an American, or a human. But race exists. I respect the fact you serve our nation very much, but that doesn't take away the fact that race does exist.
    I read your reply but I digress. As a I delved deeper in to subject I found it is a hotly debated topic within the genetic sciences community with most of the evidence leaning toward there not being "race". Look up the roots of the word itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    along with the cognac and grape soda
    Hahaha exactly bro .

    As a matter of fact I wish I was Mexican right now . I was working as a contractor at a factory the other day . At lunch break most were outside because the nice weather . There were black dudes and white dudes chillin in the shade but the mexicans were grilling out with this big a$$ grill having a damn fiesta , playing soccer and having fun .

    I hate soccer but I still wish I was Mexican so I could get some of that good grub .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyK View Post
    I read your reply but I digress. As a I delved deeper in to subject I found it is a hotly debated topic within the genetic sciences community with most of the evidence leaning toward there not being "race". Look up the roots of the word itself.
    Could you share some of the evidence? It's a controversial thing to discuss, but I'm surprised that most people don't believe there are differences among races.

    That doesn't mean one race is better, or worse, or superior, or inferior.

    I just want to point that out. From a biological standpoint, we're mammals. Like other mammals (say, for example, dogs), there's different breeds. Now before I go any further, I know some biologists, for reasons unknown to me, don't use "breed and species" much more. I think most still do, but for simplicity sake, I will. German Shepards and Rottweilers are both dogs, but there breed is different. Breeds have different traits for different purposes, and pass to their offspring these traits. Why do so many Kenyans win marathons? Why are Samoans so damn big? Why are a lot of Asians extremely intelligent? Maybe or maybe not it is due to race, but I think it is.

    Once again, it's not from a superior or inferior viewpoint, because I will not tolerate any form of racism, sexism, or anything of the sort, and would refuse to discuss with someone that has such a narrowminded view. I just believe that biology shows races have a lot of differences, and you know what? That is what makes them unique, and if we weren't different, then there would be no diversity to celebrate.

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    To answer your questions about certain ethinicities you've encountered...Asian's are not "so intelligent", Kenyan's aren't naturally born marathon runners, and Samoan's aren't so naturally big.

    Asian families in the USA have looked to academics and education as measures of achievement and drive their children to excel. Sociological and not Racial effect #1.

    Kenyan's are brought up in villages where running is literally a means of transportation. One runs to school, work, etc... Therefore they excel at doing just that, running. Sociological and not Racial effect #2.

    Samoan's simply aren't so big as you state. I grew up a large part of my life in Hawaii where there is a large Samoan population, they came in all shapes and sizes. However they do pride themselves in eating large amounts of pork and fatty foods, lots of BBQ, etc... Sociological and not Racial effect #3.

    Biologists did away with the notion of race within human beings because there were was as much variation between the DNA of the proposed "races" as there was between a member of 1 race compared to another race. Meaning that the variation in DNA between two "white" people chosen at random has as much variation in DNA as between a "black" man and a "white" man.

    The phenomenon of the variations you've pointed out are purely sociological in root.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainjack View Post
    Texas spans several regions. Great Plains, The South West, the South, and Mexico are all contain within our borders.

    Go to Brownsville, Laredo, Del Rio, or El Paso and tell me how close to "The South" you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyK View Post
    To answer your questions about certain ethinicities you've encountered...Asian's are not "so intelligent", Kenyan's aren't naturally born marathon runners, and Samoan's aren't so naturally big.

    Asian families in the USA have looked to academics and education as measures of achievement and drive their children to excel. Sociological and not Racial effect #1.

    Kenyan's are brought up in villages where running is literally a means of transportation. One runs to school, work, etc... Therefore they excel at doing just that, running. Sociological and not Racial effect #2.

    Samoan's simply aren't so big as you state. I grew up a large part of my life in Hawaii where there is a large Samoan population, they came in all shapes and sizes. However they do pride themselves in eating large amounts of pork and fatty foods, lots of BBQ, etc... Sociological and not Racial effect #3.

    Biologists did away with the notion of race within human beings because there were was as much variation between the DNA of the proposed "races" as there was between a member of 1 race compared to another race. Meaning that the variation in DNA between two "white" people chosen at random has as much variation in DNA as between a "black" man and a "white" man.

    The phenomenon of the variations you've pointed out are purely sociological in root.
    I think you've bought into too many media myths, and seriously haven't pursued this topic. A lot of scientists won't even touch racial issues for fear of being ostracized within their field.

    Here's a good article about the Kenyan running:

    http://www.vdare.com/misc/entine_boston_marathon.htm

    {You probably don't like VDARE.com, but the article is good, and by a self-admitted liberal}

    And what about certain diseases? Sickle cell, for example? Why is it only limited to people of African ancestry? If races were all of the same genetic makeup, wouldn't everyone be capable of getting the same disease?

    Here's another article regarding DNA:

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-genetics.html

    And more ...

    http://beck2.med.harvard.edu/week5/RISCHGEN.PDF

    http://www.pnas.org/content/94/7/3100.full.pdf

    And differences in haplogroups ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogr...ng_populations

    Intelligence is something that's a gray area to debate. If you look around, you'll find different studies, and some go with nurture, and others say nature. I think there could be differences in intellectual capabilities among races. Once again, it doesn't prove inferiority or superiority if there is. There are brilliant minds in all races, as well as feeble ones.

    Look at dogs, though. Studies have ranked the Top 10 Smartest dog breeds. They're mammals, and so are we. Could there be variations with humans, too?
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    Good set of articles SB. I would provide my own links but just type in some variation of this argument in to google and you'll find plenty from both sides of the aisle as you've already seen I'm sure.

    Genetic mutations and recessive genes and the like that cause illness can be explained through the passing of gene's yes, but this still doesn't mean that there is enough variation between the so called "races" to substantiate such a claim that there are race(s).

    As I pointed out with other examples many traits of so called "races" can be explained through sociological phenomenon. For instance Kenyan runners that make it to the competitive stage DO have better genetics then their foriegn counter parts. Why?...Every one of their children goes out for the sport and only the strongest survive to go on to the competitive teams.

    Are Brazilian's really that much more equipped to play soccer then American's? Or do more Brazilian kid's go out and try hard at the sport to get on the teams? Therefore making their teams genetically superior via a greater population for the coaches to choose from?

    As an aside...I'm not trying to make you out to be a racist and there is no need to be PC on these forums. So you don't have to substantiate that you're not saying that one (race) is superior to the another in every post lol.
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    Great posts, Southern Beast.

    When forensic specialists can id the race of a person through bone structure differences - that is hardly sociological.

    When anyone with functioning vision can tell the difference between an Asian and a Caucasian - it is not sociological.

    There are distinct physical differences. Whether or not a team of scientists can come up with a genetic explanation is hardly enough basis on which to state that there is no such thing as race.

    Answer me this - if two black (or Asian, or native american, or take your pick) people procreate, and neither of them have any white blood in there pedigree - what are the odd they will produce a child that looks like Ricky Schroeder?

    I mean if it's not genetic, it's possible right? Kinda like expecting two poodles to create a German Shepard.

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    I agree with SB, there are difference between the races of people, agin not saying any race is superior to the next, just different and i see no problem with that, the problem i see is when people try to make all of the people the same when we are not. just accept people for their difference and if anything learn to embrace them and party with everybody
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    It there would ever be a separation in the US , it's between its modern progressive part and it's conservative religious. What we would be able to do technology wise in 50 years is surely going to drive a wedge between those two cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxm007 View Post
    It there would ever be a separation in the US , it's between its modern progressive part and it's conservative religious. What we would be able to do technology wise in 50 years is surely going to drive a wedge between those two cultures.
    Really? How much do you really know about "conservative religious"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    just accept people for their difference and if anything learn to embrace them and party with everybody
    Come to my house for cook outs. We got my Asian wife and her whacko family, then my sister-in-law married a black dude and sometimes he brings his side of the family, then we got the trailer trash on my end. Nothing is more funny seeing my wife's grandfather who speaks crappy english, drinking white label dewars with my brother in laws black grandfather who hates everyone and my great uncle, who is just an old career Marine and still thinks he can whip arse. They basically sit around talking smack about young people and get drunk.
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    I do not thing that it is going to happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BilltheButcher View Post
    Come to my house for cook outs. We got my Asian wife and her whacko family, then my sister-in-law married a black dude and sometimes he brings his side of the family, then we got the trailer trash on my end. Nothing is more funny seeing my wife's grandfather who speaks crappy english, drinking white label dewars with my brother in laws black grandfather who hates everyone and my great uncle, who is just an old career Marine and still thinks he can whip arse. They basically sit around talking smack about young people and get drunk.
    You're not talking **** about Dewars are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkall2003 View Post
    You're not talking **** about Dewars are you?
    If I am then one of those 3 old bastards would kick my arse. Those three love coming over to my house b/c I always have a bunch in stock. I bartended for years and every older guy that I knew that had a real bad drinking problem always drank White Label Dewars. This past XMAS those three got S bagged b/c all I did was bought each of them their own bottle as a present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCorey75 View Post
    I agree with SB, there are difference between the races of people, agin not saying any race is superior to the next, just different and i see no problem with that, the problem i see is when people try to make all of the people the same when we are not. just accept people for their difference and if anything learn to embrace them and party with everybody
    I think we need more interbreeding of races

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