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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Wow, somebody spends more time writing his journal than I do Good luck achieving your goals.
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    What powder is that bro? The ALA powder? If thats what your talking about you can get it REAL cheap from www.beyond-a-century.com. Great prices and pretty quick delivery too. My muscles really seems a lot more full when I am using ALA.

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    Whatsup man? Haha hey thanks a lot bro. Really appreciate it. I hope to acheive my goals too. I feel like I am doing everything from the best sources. My diet is from Severed Ties, basically the diet guru, my strength routine I developed but its similar to a few other peoples'. Oh well. Thanks again.

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    Week 1 | Day 5
    Thursday, April 17, 2002


    Cardio.
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      Postworkout: 20 minutes treadmill; 3.5 MPH @ a 15% incline.
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    Diet. Isocaloric Day.
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      Meal 1: Myoplex MRP + 1 cup 2% milk + 2 slices whole-wheat bread + 1 tbsp. low-fat butter
      (530 calories, 54g protein, 48g carbs, 14g fat)

      Meal 2: 1 oz. peanuts + 2 cups 1% milk
      (370 calories, 24g protein, 29g carbs, 19g fat)

      Postworkout: 2 servings whey protein + Smarties + Sweettarts
      (410 calories, 44g protein, 55g carbs, 2g fat)

      Meal 4: 1 slice whole-wheat bread + 2 tbsp. peanut butter + 2 cups skim milk
      (390 calories, 26g protein, 38g carbs, 17g fat)

      Meal 5: 2 slices whole-wheat bread + 1 tbsp. low-fat mayo + 2 slices low-fat cheese + turkey breast
      (310 calories, 28g protein, 21g carbs, 12g fat)

      Meal 6: Atkin's choclate bar
      (150 calories, 3g protein, 2g carbs, 12g fat)
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    Diet Totals.
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      Total Calories: 2160
      Total (g) Protein: 179g - 33%
      Total (g) Carbs: 193g - 36%
      Total (g) Fat: 76g - 31%
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      Feel good today, I think I got just the right amount of sleep last night. Going to aim for 7-8 hours every single night. Need to really keep it up. Dont feel too fat today, little bloated but nothing too major I dont think. Hopefully my mood will be good with Brittany. Looking forward to my refeed days tomorrow and Friday. Day off of cardio and fat-burners and all that, should be fun.
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      Not really sore today surprise surprise. I think its just the carbs in my system that are preventing me from being sore. Not sure what it is. Soreness really hasnt been bad at all lately. Not really sure how carbs can effect my soreness that much but thats the only thing that is different. Damn in the late afternoon my soreness set in! Glutes and calves were aching like crazy! Quads were sore too, hamstrings a little also. Nothing like major but definitely noticeable.
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    Sleep.
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      7 hours sleep last night. Good amount of sleep, need to keep it up.
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    Supplements.
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      With Meal 1: multi-vitamin/mineral + 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 50 mg. zinc + 1 Adrenalin

      Preworkout: 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 5cc Liquid Clenbutrx

      Postworkout: 5g creatine + 5g glutamine peptides + 3g arginine + 1g ginger + 500 mg. ALA + 250 mg. Aminogen

      With Meal 3: multi-vitamin/mineral + 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 1 Adrenalin

      Before Bed: Sleep Formula
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    Training. Delts, Traps, Abs.
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      Seated Behind-neck Barbell Presses: 150 x 6.5 [***]

      ... Totally awesome set of BTN presses today! Had my girlfriend start my set off. She assisted me a very little bit the first rep of my set. Went down to approximately ear level or something along those lines. Anyway good solid reps, nice ROM and good delt contractions. Really hit my delts hard, also felt it a lot in my middle traps. Overall excellent set. Going to go for 152.5 next week and see how that goes. Want to make a small increase but I know that its definitely going to be a struggle, so well see how it goes. Excellent overall set.

      Seated Overhead Dumbbell Presses: 65 x 6.5 [***]

      ... Intense set of overhead presses here. Did them seated on the same level bench as I did the BTN presses. Went down a little bit further here than I did with BTN presses. Good ROM and hit my delts very very hard. Right side seemed to be a little bit stronger than my left side somehow. Really doesnt make too much sense, who knows. Anyway good set definitely going to go for the 67.5s next week no doubt.

      Wide-grip Barbell Upright Rows: 95 x 8.5 [***]

      ... Really really good set of upright rows today! Havnt done these in a few years, REALLY like them. Really arch my back and roll my traps down to put my traps out of the movement and really focus on my side delts. This has always been a good exercise for me when it comes to packing on some mass/development to my medial deltoids. Anyway used 95 lbs. for these. I am not sure if I could have gone a little heavier or not. Going to go for 105 lbs. next Wednesday. See how I handle that. Anyway good set, hit my delts hard, and my traps kind of hard too.

      One-arm Dumbbell Side Laterals: 32.5 x 10 [***]

      ... Good set of laterals here. Used 32.5 and it was a little easy. Not too easy but I will definitely be handling the 35 lbs. dumbbell next week. Hit my side delts really hard. Good form, maybe a tad too much trap involvement. Oh well. Form was still definitely good throughout this entire set of laterals. Anyway excellent overall set.

      Seated Machine Side Laterals: 170 x 7.5 [***]

      ... Wow never done these before. Did there over on the Nautilus machine. Used 170 lbs. for this set today. Really a very very strict controlled movement here. I am not used to using a Nautilus machine like this - I am used to freeweights. Anyway a very controlled movement like I said. I could REALLY feel it in my side delts though all the way. No doubt about it. Totally felt it hard in my side delts they were aching like crazy at the end of the set. Not sure if I can increase next week...

      Rack Pulls: 385 x 6 [***]

      ... These are done in the power rack with a mixed grip, right around knee level. Basically partial deadlifts. Hit traps and all that very hard. Awesome set here! Felt very very VERY strong in these. I can completely see myself hitting 405 sometime in the next month and probably my goal (495 lbs.) in around 2-3 months. These are just a big "feel good" exercise. Love putting on three 45s and a 35 on each side and pulling that for 6 motherf*cking reps. Love it.

      Seated Dumbbell Shrugs: 90 x 8 [***]

      ... Great set of shrugs here. Not used to these seated. Listen to the stupid f*cking thing that I did though. I grabbed an 85 lbs. dumbbell and a 90 lbs. dumbbell, rather than two 90s. tuttuttuttut I couldnt believe that I did this stupid bullsh*t. Didnt even notice until afterwards. I felt like the stupidest sh*t ever. Anyway hammered my traps hard with these. Good contractions and some really good stretches at the bottom of the movement. Awesome set here.

      Hang Cleans: 140 x 7 [***]

      ... GREAT set of hang cleans wow. Really hit my traps and delts hard with these. Really kept my form flawless while I did these. Started with the bar right above knee level and powerfully cleaned it up to my collarbone area. Anyway good set. Flexed my traps hard at the bottom of the movement. Really hit my traps hard with this exercise. Used my legs maybe a tad not really though.

      Machine Crunches: 150 x 15 [***]

      ... Good set here. Kind of f*cked it up by talking to my girlfriend throughout the entire set rather than focusing but oh well shes my baby I have to talk to her. Anyway need to concentrate more next Wednesday. Good set though felt it hard in my abs even though I wasnt focusing 100%.
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    Training Length.
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      Today my workout lasted 35 minutes. Pretty brief, probably only because the gym was less crowded than it normally is.
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    Water.
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      Good amount today I guess, need a little more though because of the extreme heat that Delaware has had lately, pushing 90 degrees and its not even summer yet.
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    Weight.
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      Today, preworkout and clothed, but without shoes, I weighed 198.5 lbs. Felt good about my weight, slowly decreasing over the past few days. Really feeling good about my weight.
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    Last edited by MonStar; 05-03-2002 at 10:48 PM.

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    MonStar,

    Rack Pulls - do you find this better than doing full deadlifts? Is this to avoid working your legs on this non-leg day? I'm guess you are still locking out at the top of the movement.

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    Damn right you will be! We don't mess around down here. Liquor and Steel, that's what we're all about -Casey

    ROFL, oh man - I usually wait until I'm on the freeway to do that. What an idiot! -teufy doing what he does best.

    You aren't strong enough or pretty enough to train in the evenings with us...better stick to noon workouts with the rest of the geriatrics. - pup

    Yeah. I'm a dork. - Teufy

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    Nice work bro, i noticed you changed up the diet, didn't like NHE?
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    Whatsup man? Yeah rack pulls are the hot sh*t. Love them bro. Yeah takes your legs almost completely out of the movement when you do them from knee level, basically all traps and lower back. Great exercise, this is probably my 4th or 5th time doing them, EVER, and I am pulling 385 pretty strongly, Ill get 5 plates per side by summer no questions asked.

    just_a_pup-
    Yeah man had to go ahead and drop NHE. Strength gains I didnt like and I also didnt care for the muscle flatness that I always had. My girlfriend said herself that when I am eating carbs my muscles are a lot bigger. In my arms, chest, back, everything. That always makes me feel good.

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    Originally posted by MonStar

    ...I can completely see myself hitting 405 sometime in the next month and probably my goal (495 lbs.) in around 2-3 months. These are just a big "feel good" exercise. Love putting on three 45s and a 35 on each side and pulling that for 6 motherf*cking reps. Love it.
    Awesome strength on these bro, real ego boost eh.


    ... Listen to the stupid f*cking thing that I did though. I grabbed an 85 lbs. dumbbell and a 90 lbs. dumbbell, rather than two 90s. tuttuttuttut I couldnt believe that I did this stupid bullsh*t. Didnt even notice until afterwards. I felt like the stupidest sh*t ever. ...
    I've done that too on either DB flys or curls. Couldn't believe how strong my one arm had gotten in week. Then noticed that it was 5lbs lighter. too funny.
    Last edited by rookiebldr; 04-17-2002 at 07:45 PM.

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    Damn right you will be! We don't mess around down here. Liquor and Steel, that's what we're all about -Casey

    ROFL, oh man - I usually wait until I'm on the freeway to do that. What an idiot! -teufy doing what he does best.

    You aren't strong enough or pretty enough to train in the evenings with us...better stick to noon workouts with the rest of the geriatrics. - pup

    Yeah. I'm a dork. - Teufy

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    Haha yeah man seriously. Cant believe that I ended up grabbing 2 different DBs, hard to believe. But anyway yeah rack pulls are a great exercise, I would recommend them 100% in the power rack, pulling from around knee level. I would like to see myself pulling my triple BW in the next 10 months - 1 year or so. That would be really amazing. Pull 600 lbs.

    ... Finally hit 2000 views. Thats cool I guess.

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    Last edited by MonStar; 04-17-2002 at 07:55 PM.

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    The only adjustment I'd make I already responded to in PM.

    Aside from that all looks good.


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    Okay man thanks a lot for responding here bro, I really appreciate it seriously. Again thanks a lot.

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    Week 1 | Day 6
    Thursday, April 18, 2002


    Cardio.
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      Dont do cardio on my refeed days, theyre specifically for growth and recovery.
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    Diet. Refeed Day.
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      Meal 1: Myoplex MRP + 1 cup 2% milk + 2 slices whole-wheat bread + 1 tbsp. low-fat butter
      (530 calories, 54g protein, 47g carbs, 12g fat)

      Meal 2: tomato soup + 1 cup 1% milk + 2 slices whole-wheat bread + 4 slices low-fat cheese + 1 serving whey protein
      (790 calories, 66g protein, 84g carbs, 18g fat)

      Meal 3: 2 oz. whole-wheat pasta + 1/4 cup Ragu sauce + 1 cup cottage cheese + 1/2 cup pineapple
      (520 calories, 36g protein, 63g carbs, 13g fat)

      Meal 4: Butterfinger
      (270 calories, 3g protein, 44g carbs, 11g fat)

      Meal 5: 1/2 Isopure shake + 2 Luna bars
      (500 calories, 42g protein, 62g carbs, 8g fat)

      BINGED! ... around 6:00 PM tonight. tuttuttuttut Can believe the f*cking sh*t I ate. Tons of candy and ice-cream. McDonalds of course. Definitely pigged out tonight for no reason at all. Learned from this though - need to keep my refeed days consisting of clean foods. Cant afford to cheat at all! Definitely not doing a refeed day tomorrow, going back to isocaloric rest day with cardio. I dont know what the hell happened honestly, I just gave up or something. I was thinking that I already ate a Butterfinger and I was like f*ck it Ill just go all out like a f*cking moron. This was definitely a learning experience though I have learned that I cannot cheat in moderation. Clean foods all the way now.
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    Diet Totals.
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      Total Calories: TOO HIGH!
      Total (g) Protein: TOO HIGH!
      Total (g) Carbs: TOO HIGH!
      Total (g) Fat: TOO HIGH!

      ... Totally binged off of my diet tonight. Cant believe this bullsh*t.
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    Overall Comments.
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      Feel pretty good today. Not too tired but I am definitely not used to going without any ephedrine at all like this. Oh well. Ill be okay hehe hopefully it will work better Saturday when I hit up chest and tris. Today and tomorrow are refeed days specifically to help with growth and recovery. Hopefully these 2 days will really help ease some of this muscular soreness and prepare me so Ill be ready to go for Saturday's workout. Damn my school's air conditioning is off and its like 10 degrees hotter in the building than outside. I am just sitting here pouring sweat in gallons all day long. Hydration is key. Went off my diet like a moron tonight. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
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    Pain/Soreness.
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      Calves are hurting still, quads and glutes are also hurting. Hamstrings arent too bad. Midback is aching, and my traps are KILLING me. Shoulders arent too bad, yet, but traps are sore as f*ck. Damn my whole body is aching all over the f*cking place Jesus. Legs are a lot more sore today than they were yesterday. My hands/grip is actually sore. I am assuming its due to the rack pulls yesterday with 385. Rotator cuffs are also a little sore.
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    Sleep.
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      7.5 hours sleep last night. Good amount of sleep, need to keep it up. Want to aim for 7 or more hours every night.
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    Supplements.
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      With Meal 1: multi-vitamin/mineral + 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 50 mg. zinc

      With Meal 2: 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete

      With Meal 4: multi-vitamin/mineral + 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete

      Before Bed: Sleep Formula

      ... Damn not used to not taking in any ephedrine at all! Today and tomorrow are both off days from ephedrine alltogether. Woah.
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    Training. Rest.

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      Okay amount today, not enough today.
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    Weight.
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      Dont weigh in on non training days.
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    Last edited by MonStar; 05-03-2002 at 10:47 PM.

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    Dude - what's with you and the binging??? Why don't you just skip a couple meals and then pig out at McDonalds and then you don't have to worry about a thing. Your food choices are looking pretty good these days! Minus the butterfingers ;-)

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    Originally posted by MonStar
    Meal 4: Butterfinger
    Butterfinger - mmm mmm good. tuttut
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    Damn right you will be! We don't mess around down here. Liquor and Steel, that's what we're all about -Casey

    ROFL, oh man - I usually wait until I'm on the freeway to do that. What an idiot! -teufy doing what he does best.

    You aren't strong enough or pretty enough to train in the evenings with us...better stick to noon workouts with the rest of the geriatrics. - pup

    Yeah. I'm a dork. - Teufy

    Better yet, "why should anyone's interpretation of divinity govern modern society?" - Twilo

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    I dont know whatsup with my godd*mn binges. I was pissed at myself bu then again I wasnt. Okay I took it a little easy by getting a Butterfinger, that was stupid. That basically horse f*cked me. I completely went off from around then on. Stuffing my face like a fat sloppy pig. Lesson learned: CLEAN refeed foods only.

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    Damn right!! Gotta love them bro.

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    Week 1 | Day 7
    Thursday, April 19, 2002


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      Before Meal 1: 20 minutes stationery bike; alternating one minute of level 6 with one minute of level 8.
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    Diet. Isocaloric Day.
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      Meal 1: Mesotech MRP + 1 cup 1% milk + 2 slices whole-wheat bread + 1 tbsp. low-fat butter
      (570 calories, 64g protein, 50g carbs, 12g fat)

      Meal 2: 1 oz. peanuts + 2 cups 1% milk
      (370 calories, 24g protein, 29g carbs, 19g fat)

      Meal 3: 2 slices whole-wheat bread + turkey breast + 2 slices low-fat cheese + 1 tbsp. low-fat mayo + 1 cup skim milk
      (370 calories, 32g protein, 32g carbs, 13g fat)

      Meal 4: 1 slice whole-wheat bread + 2 tbsp. peanut butter + 1 cup skim milk
      (370 calories, 18g protein, 26g carbs, 16g fat)

      Meal 5: 1 cup cottage cheese + 1/2 cup pineapple
      (290 calories, 26g protein, 25g carbs, 10g fat)

      Meal 6: Powerbar Pria bar
      (110 calories, 5g protein, 16g carbs, 3g fat)

      Meal 7: 2 servings protein + 1 cup 1% milk
      (260 calories, 38g protein, 18g carbs, 4g fat)
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    Diet Totals.
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      Total Calories: 2340
      Total (g) Protein: 207g - 36%
      Total (g) Carbs: 196g - 34%
      Total (g) Fat: 77g - 30%

      ... Ratios were a little off today, not too big of a deal. High in calories which kind of pissed me off but oh well. Want to stay between 2100-2200. tuttuttuttut
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      Feel fat today. Woke up this morning and took my ALA and Clenbutrx and did the stationery bike for 20 minutes. This really didnt make too much of a difference I still felt very fat. Just thinking now I dont know what I was thinking last night. I never should have cheated in the first place with that Butterfinger. Big mistake... that led to a disaster. Now obviously there is nothing I can do but learn from my mistakes and move on. Today I made a regular isocaloric day because I gained so much fat last night with that binge session. Binged for a few hours straight. Started with the Butterfinger then moved onto Caramel Creams and a Milky Way Lite. Then I ate some ice-cream and everything like that and some pretzels and then went to McDonalds. This is where I packed in the calories. Cheeseburgers, vanilla cone, fries, chicken nuggets, soda, apple pie, just basically everything on the menu - a chicken fajita. Regret it now obviously but damn that stuff tasted so good. Couldnt believe it. My stomach and lower chest is so completely soft and flabby today. Cant believe how much just a few hours of eating can make, thats so pathetic. Mood was good today, got along with Brittany really really well. So that means I was feeling confident and not insecure and immature.
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      Last nights feast aided in my soreness a little bit I think. My traps are still really sore probably from the rack pulls. Nothing else is really sore. Just feel really really soft all over.
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      7 hours sleep last night. Slept well I guess, really need to shoot for 7 hours+ every single night, but oh well.
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      Precardio: 5cc Liquid Clenbutrx + 500 mg. ALA

      With Meal 1: multi-vitamin/mineral + 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 50 mg. zinc

      With Meal 2: 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 1 Adrenalin

      With Meal 3: multi-vitamin/mineral + 1g vitamin C + 400 IU vitamin E + 1 Calcium Complete + 1 Adrenalin

      Before Bed: Sleep Formula
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    Training. Rest.

    Training Length.
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      Didnt workout today, rest day. Looking forward to my workout tomorrow though big time. Chest and tris baby.
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    Water.
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      Pretty good amount of water today I think. Felt good about my hydration level.
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    Weight.
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      Dont weigh in today because its a rest day, THANK GOD. I would have probably weighed 207-210 lbs. Tomorrow I am guessing Ill be 203-206 lbs. Give or take obviously.
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    Last edited by MonStar; 05-03-2002 at 10:47 PM.

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    Monstar - You do realize that whatever you weigh right now, you weigh, regardless of whether you get on the scale and look. ;-)

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    Yeah I guess man I dont know. I can just tell when I weigh more I feel like a fat ox. I am like Jesus here we go, a fat slob day.

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    Wasn't today a refeed day as well?

    Me /pwn1ng by Xian Rookie's journal Rookie's Picture Thread

    Damn right you will be! We don't mess around down here. Liquor and Steel, that's what we're all about -Casey

    ROFL, oh man - I usually wait until I'm on the freeway to do that. What an idiot! -teufy doing what he does best.

    You aren't strong enough or pretty enough to train in the evenings with us...better stick to noon workouts with the rest of the geriatrics. - pup

    Yeah. I'm a dork. - Teufy

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    Yeah man today was supposed to be a refeed day, but I didnt do a refeed day today because I binged last night. Another refeed day even if it was clean foods would have only made things worse. I would have gained even more fat. Right no I am completely soft and flabby - I feel so disgusting. Damn I cant believe that I f*cking binged last night. Really f*cking pathetic.

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    Bro, better luck next week and stay away from the double arches.

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    Damn right you will be! We don't mess around down here. Liquor and Steel, that's what we're all about -Casey

    ROFL, oh man - I usually wait until I'm on the freeway to do that. What an idiot! -teufy doing what he does best.

    You aren't strong enough or pretty enough to train in the evenings with us...better stick to noon workouts with the rest of the geriatrics. - pup

    Yeah. I'm a dork. - Teufy

    Better yet, "why should anyone's interpretation of divinity govern modern society?" - Twilo

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    Haha thanks a lot bro. Really appreciate your support. Yeah I need all the f*cking luck I can get when it comes to these damn refeed days. Its tough because I am not taking ECA or ephedrine at all, my appetite is basically soaring, etc. I dont know guess all it really takes is some real discipline.

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    Appetite is suppressed on ECA? : scratch: When I'm off ECA, I'm wasted the next day because I so tired. All I want to do is sleep.

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    Yeah man that too! I was really tired on the day that I binged. Without ephedrine in my system I am drowsy and tired and hungry! Basically your perfect equation for a fat slob. Anyway how is your diet coming along?

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    Here's what I do when going off ECA. Get some L-Tyrosine, L-Taurine and caffeine tablets. take 1 gram of the tyrosine and taurine 3X a day with say about 100mg caffeine(split the caffeine tabs in half). After a few days lower the caffeine dose to 50mg, or 1/4 tab ( use a pill cutter). Then after a week no more caffeine. You will still be tired, but not as bad. Tapering the caffeine helps reduce the caffeine headache.

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    Thanks for the suggestion man. I have all 3 of those supplements that you listed, tyrosine, taurine, and caffine. Yeah man thats a really good idea for cycling off the ECA really appreciate the suggestion bro.

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