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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Genetics?¿

    Hello all,
    I was just wandering about how important genetics are. In competitions such as the Worlds Strongest Man, most of the hulks there have a genetic advantage, such as size or natural strength. Just how important are genetics, though? Janne Virtanen claims to have no genetic background of strength, other than his size. Honesty, though, how many of us average weight lifters are going to grow up to be the next Svend Karlsen or Mark Meuhr? Can ANYBODY be the "Worlds Strongest Man", or do you need a genetic background of strength and size?

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    IMO they play the biggest role in how much muscle somone can gain, diet second, training third, then rest.

    Some people are just big and muscular. I hate genetics, im only 5'9-5'10, i would give anything to be 6 foot.
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    Genetics dictate your physiological response to training. Some people have more muscle than others naturally, some will respond better to training, others have the joint capacity to handle huge resistance. Your body's ability to recruit muscle cells (although trainable) is a genetically determined trait. All of that being said, intelligence and will are huge factors which have both a genetic and a learned capacity. In other words, your mind plays a huge role in your success in weightlifting, and even people with poorer genetics with respect to the first traits I mentioned can often outperform their physically genetic superiors with their will and desire.

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    so when janne claimed to have no background in stregnth trianing, was that non of his parents and grand parents did any weights so they did not relaise thier potential.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    From what i can gather..everyone has a genetic code/ well if your parents and grand parents were well built and muscular..you have a good chance of responding well to body buildiing...if not..you have to work a little harder than the other guy...but it dont mean you cant be the best you can be!!!!
    A strong mind needs a strong body to back it up!!!!!!

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    Originally posted by chris mason
    Genetics dictate your physiological response to training. Some people have more muscle than others naturally, some will respond better to training, others have the joint capacity to handle huge resistance. Your body's ability to recruit muscle cells (although trainable) is a genetically determined trait. All of that being said, intelligence and will are huge factors which have both a genetic and a learned capacity. In other words, your mind plays a huge role in your success in weightlifting, and even people with poorer genetics with respect to the first traits I mentioned can often outperform their physically genetic superiors with their will and desire.

    Excellent post.
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    Right on to that.

    Genetics are important. But so is intensity, determination + dedication.

    I'm lucky to have good genetics though. But it's never good to rely on them. Still have to be intense with training and dieting. So that's what I do.
    It's like I'm a juicer... but I'm not.

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    just deal with what you got, try real hard and maybe you can be like me j/k

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    Yeah I agree with whats been said. You can overcome genetics to a certain degree. I mean I feel like I have been partially blessed with good genetics because since I was 11-12 years old I have always had very wide shoulders and everything like that. Building muscle came pretty easy to me even when I was training 20+ total sets per bodypart. Hitting chest for an hour and a half, hitting forearms for 45 minutes.

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    I think genetics supremely important. They should never be used as an excuse, but neither should they be overlooked. Here's something Arthur Jones said, with which I very much agree:
    What you can be, in a physical sense, was determined before you were born, by your genetic potential; what you will be is determined by your environment and your experiences. So your future physical size and ability can be influenced in some respects, but not in others. Given the genetically determined physical potential of the average man, he has about as much chance of becoming Mr. America as he does of flying by flapping his arms. Becoming Miss America is equally difficult and requires physical potential that probably exists in one woman out of an average 100,000 women. Almost anybody can produce an enormous level of physical improvement as a result of proper exercise, but final results will not be the same in all cases. The fact that somebody else produced a certain level of physical size and strength does not mean that you can duplicate their results. Unusual levels of muscular size or strength are certainly a result of exercise, but are also a result of genetic physical potential that is actually quite rare. Playing any amount of basketball and eating Wheaties will not get you a job playing for one of the NBA teams. If that is your ambition, then you should go back and reselect your parents so that you are close to, or in excess of, seven feet tall. But since that is impossible, all you can do is to produce the best results that are possible given your individual genetic potential.
    And one from Ken Leistner with regard to powerlifting:
    The great lifters are great not because they came up with a training philosophy or program that made them great but rather, they had genetic makeup, innate ability to get brutally strong in the three competitive lifts, the drive to train, time to train, and cellular responsiveness to training that led to their achievements. The average PLUSA reader doesn't have that. Sorry, but that's a fact and you can read the so-called experts who call my statement and statements like that as coming from "losers" or "whiners" who won't work hard enough to succeed but they're full of it."

    We tend to think of Sisyphus as a tragic hero, condemned by the gods to shoulder his rock sweatily up the mountain, and again up the mountain, forever. The truth is that Sisyphus is in love with the rock. He cherishes every roughness and every ounce of it. He talks to it, sings to it. It has become the mysterious Other. He even dreams of it as he sleepwalks upward. Life is unimaginable without it, looming always above him like a huge gray moon. He doesn’t realize that at any moment he is permitted to step aside, let the rock hurtle to the bottom, and go home.

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    Genetics are massively important in developing power and muscle.

    However as it's too late for all of us to do anything about them just concentrate on fulflling your own potential.

    Who can honestly say they have achieved 100% of their potential?

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    genetics + diet + determination + trianing + (sometimes being in the right place at the right time) = a top sports star.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    this might surprise you, but i learned a lot more from weightlifting than just how to get physically stronger.
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    like i said before, deal with the genetics you got, and work your way up, it doesnt matter how much they count. training diet and rest are how you get big. now how broad your shoulders can be. anyone can have big muscles on their frame, genetics determine what that frame is.

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    realistically speaking, genetics don't really matter much anymore in today's terms. hypothetical example; u get this human guinea pig, u feed him all types of hormones all his life, nurture will exceed nature (DNA codes for proteins, which in turn regulate our body functions. if hormones that are created outside of DNA coding, the DNA cannot stop that). in terms of lifting, something similar could be said, but prolly not to the extremes of that example. imo, sports like bodybuilding can sometimes be more of a drug race than a physique competition.
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