So, I've finished SS and have been doing BGB for the past four months, and now I want a specifically BB-oriented routine. I know that everyone's different, and what works for some people won't work for me, but I just want to know what the best BB routine has been for some of you guys. Thanks in advance!
This tends to be more of a powerlifting forum than a bodybuilding one. Most people here probably follow some type of program geared towards strenght. At one point there were a few bodybuilders on this site but they vanished. One guy named Daone was a bodybuilder and he posted his routine as:
H: 5'7" W:185
Goals: 495 -315 -585
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Thanks, man! I appreciate it. And I've noted the prevalence of PLer's over BBer's, haha.
Doggcrapp hands down. Nothing else even comes close in my experience.
How long were you on SS? How much results did you get? A friend of mine just started, and I'm wondering how much results he should expect to get.
Dante was 137 pound weakling when he started.
If my son wanted to be a bodybuilder, or "power builder" as Dante calls it - I would have no qualms putting him on DC.
OP, what do you mean you "finished" SS? It's not designed to run for X number of weeks. If you treated it as such, you obviously didn't follow the program correctly or you missed the big picture.
what is the different in Bodybuilding and strength training? I've been wondering for a while. It seems a workout like BGB hits each muscle twice a week but not as forcefully, whereas the bodybuilding routine specializes more? what is the difference? how will your body change?
The goal in Bodybuilding is to get ripped and bigger. Basically it is all about looking good.
The goal in Strength Training is to become a beast. Of course looking good is still a goal, but thes guys aren't too worried about body fat %. Their main goal is to become stronger.
Either route you take, it is still much better than doing nothing like most guys.
Brad 08 made excellent points to the OP which should be addressed.
The reason Dante won't train kids - or new trainees - is because they always want to tweak the program, or try to out think it. It has nothing to do with the training style. it has everything to do with the attitude of the trainee.
And I stand by my statement. If my 17 year-old son wanted to get into BBing - I would start him off on the m-w-f split of DC.
You really want to stand by that statement? Really? Do you want me to find the three way split that Dante himself laid out? The one for weak body parts? The one I use, and respond very well to?
I suppose you think everything should be done in the 15RP range as well. Never mind Dante telling older lifters to up the range.
Dude - I don't know who you think I am, but you need to check the attitude. If you have a problem with me, or my advice (if I was to give any) - take it to PM.
I suggest you actually learn what is going on and read more of what Dante says before wagging your finger at me.
Look - I am not trying to start a fight. I have shown you no disrespect, and you seem bent on showing me as much disrespect as you possibly can. Is this what passes for proper moderator behavior on this board?
You didn't read all of the article, did you? But at least you did go do a search for it. I will give you some credit for that.
Do you want me to post the link here, or should I PM it to you?
You did read the part in bold too, right?I would have to disagree. If you go with the M-W-F split, training each body part once a week, there is nothing too advanced for a younger guy - IF he follows the guidelines to a T, and eats the proper volumes of food.
I am not trying to start a fight either and I don't feel I have shown you disrespect either. Obviously you would have to be a strong Mofo to be on the 3 way DC split, those are numbers I would think would qualify one for being on the 3 way split. And if you are, then I am sure I would have much to learn from you. That is why I ask.
As for moderating, my intitial response was made to steer a newb away from trying DC training, but after re-reading your first post, I realized that was not your intention. They OP may not though, and that is why I added a second comment.
I do train 4 days a week, and cardio on days off.
The only bastardization I have made to my training is that I cannot do barbell squats. I can only hack squat and leg press.
I think - like I said - that a young guy would do fine on this program IF - and please notice the IF because it is critical - he follows it to the T, and eats enough per the program. I don't like people who think they need to tweak every program they come across, and kids seem to be the world's worst at both that, and over analyzing stuff.
I mean really - what reason other than "Dante says so" is there for not using the best possible training method at the earliest and safest possible time?
I would never give advice about training to a kid without first asking the standard battery of questions.
Sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused by describing the split wrong.
And for what it's worth, the article I read said that the 3 way split is for advanced lifters AND folks who need a shorter training period. I like to think I am stronger than average, but I don't really count pounds when I lift. I use the method Jason Wojo describes on his DC dvd - which btw should be required watching for anyone in the DC camp.
Most of the time that reason is good enough for me. Again, I just think, and everyone at IM would say, a younger lifter would be better served on another program and then should progress to DC once they have a good base. I know on the DC DVD at least 2 years(I believe it is 2-3, I am going off memory) of serious training before starting DC. Good call on the video. I own that one and Project Superheavyweight. That one is an example of the 3 way split with a few twists in it. Great video and it has an excellent nutrition section in it. If you have the time start up a DC journal, as right now CPHafner, Jay Dub, and myself are the only ones who have them on this site.
I figure once you have enough time under your belt to do all of the exercises with good form and have some experience with pushing moderately heavy weights ( so that you aren't scared of them) - you have all you need to attempt DC.
Then again I know guys that have been "serious" training for 6 years that would not make it 2 weeks in DC.
To me DC is more about one's desire to make the logbook your bitch every in single exercise, for every single workout than it is about how long you've been in the game.
It's funny that, as a man with 44 years of experience under his belt, you still think you know more about how to use DC's system than he does, when he literally invented it and has coached, and observed, literally hundreds if not thousands of people using his system.
Go to his board. You'll see a large number of threads with DC himself telling tons of guys that 5x5 is calling their name. But you know better, I guess.
Knowing your body is absolutely crucial to DC training. Beginners don't. Most intermediates don't. YOu have to know when to blast and when to back off and cruise. You have to know how many reps you're capable of, and be able to generate intensity to make the system work. Beginners barely have muscular coordination, much less the NEURAL ability to put it all together and demonstrate their strength with maximum force and intensity on each exercise, several times a week.
But, whatever. You clearly don't understand DC training or you wouldn't say what you do.
But you knew that already, right?
I think you have a problem with me from other threads, and this is your chance to act like a tough guy. Next time bring more than you did - it just makes you look like a dumbass.