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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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  1. #1
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    Anyone do a NARROW stance Sumo pull

    I have traditionally done conventional with decent success. Best pull is 590# @ 198 in a RAW meet. I typically pull about 580-590 at meets. It seems that i have been stagnet the last year. No injuries and all is well tho. Lockout strength seems good, floor speed slow.....

    I am 6' tall and i have noticed sumo feels better on my lower back, but tougher on the groin. I was pulling from about a 3.5" deficit last night and tried a narrower stance sumo pull relatively heavy. I ended up at 515# for 2 sets of 2. Posibly could have done 3's but didn't want to overdo it since totally new to this. I have a vid, but can you load them to the site?

    Right now on a good day i probably could only pull 520# conventional at normal height 4 maybe 5 times. So 520# 2 sets of 2 seems pretty good especially form a 3.5" defecit too.......

    Any input??
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    I can't comment too much on the stance (you're stronger than me so I don't want to give you advice!), but some people on this site have found a narrow sumo/wide conventional stance helps them lift more, comfortably.

    For your video, you can upload it to youtube and then use [youtube] tags in a post here to post it. You might be limited by your number of posts though, so if you PM the web address of your video to someone (you can send to me if you want) they can post it for you.

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    I pull with a narrow sumo stance. I used to pull conventional but I found I can lift more with what I call semi-sumo ( ie narrow sumo ). I've been told by people here to choose sumo or conventional, that is not do semi-sumo. But I can't go wider sumo because of hip issues ( probably just caused by getting older and sitting at a computer all day). Since I pull less conventional I use my semi sumo at meets, but sometimes I still pull conventional when training.
    Last edited by BigTallOx; 06-11-2009 at 12:27 PM.

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    Yeah, i always pull conventional w/ a wider than "normal" stance & grip. When i switched over last year to compete in PL, pretty much everyone noted how wide i was standing & holding. i brought my stance & grip in a bit, my total has gone up a little , but has thus been stuck.

    it feels as tho going this new stance for me may be good. I'm going to give it a go i guess and see. I have a meet coming up in 2 weeks and may just go this way and see how it happens.
    6'0"--198# USAPL / IPF powerlifter
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    Thanks guys.. keep it coming
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    need 10 posts...hahah
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    ok...here is the vid

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    Last edited by Clifford Gillmore; 06-11-2009 at 01:24 PM.
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    and here is me last year doing 570 on second attempt conventional

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    Last edited by Clifford Gillmore; 06-11-2009 at 01:25 PM.
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    Big lifts blownby. Great stuff. I tried a narrower sumo style but it felt very uncomfortable with short arms. Even in conv I feel awkward. So im pretty wide, but whatever works for ya
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    Thanks, it felt pretty good given the defecit. I will try it out I 2 weeks at next meet & report back. I tried 601 at meets in Feb & march & didn't really even get them movin...so I have a good comparison with the next meet coming up
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    i pull semi sumo and have been pretty successful with it, passing up my old conventional pr's. my speed off the floor and ability to engage my legs improved a great deal.

    if you search youtube for 'ottorvic', he has some excellent vids which highlight the exact technique that i use. i actually also have a deficit deadlift video using the semi sumo stance, but it can be seen better from the angle that is in ottorvic's vids

    it is worth a shot for you at the least

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    I do wide squats and narrow stance deadlifts lol.
    Brad08 has some insight for people who don't understand... anything.
    This is so ****ing ******ed it's almost beyond belief. So, if you eat 3k, you will automatically gain 3k worth of fat or muscle? Incredible. And here I am eating all this food, yet maintaining my weight. Fascinating.

    You're one of those pussies that counts his almonds I bet.

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    when i tried this modified sumo pull yesterday i basically used my squat stance. I have a little wider than shoulder width stance for squat. And since that feels good & natural i went with it and just grabbed the bar & pulled!!
    6'0"--198# USAPL / IPF powerlifter
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    Blownby,

    Holy S*** man, you didnt just step over that bar in the 515 video did you? Respect the bar brother...

    Seriously though, great work man! Let me know how you're progessing. I'm gonna try that style myself on Sat./ DL day.

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    Thanks all....so overall does the technique look right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blownby View Post
    Thanks all....so overall does the technique look right?
    Technique looked fine. I used to pull similarly to that when I was in high school.
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    Thanks, next week i'llk give the form a go for one more workout and then go full till June 25th at the meet. If i break into the 600's ill be stocked!
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    If you like that setup and feel strong, practice it and you will most likely set some PRs.


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    Thanks, thats my plan, but wasn't sure if this form was actually used as ive never seen it or really heard of it. It has been like 2 plus years and ive been pulling 495 for reps of 5 and 545 for reps of 3 and not going anywhere so, i figure try something new.

    Plus i hope it will carry over to my squat a tad.
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    I had the same issue, I pulled semi sumo and set a meet pr for myself which sucks, so you may not want my opinion. Just saying I set a meet pr and I have done sumo and conv. in meets also.

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    confused.....why is a meet PR a bad thing??
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    Quote Originally Posted by blownby View Post
    confused.....why is a meet PR a bad thing??
    Maybe he means he thinks the PR itself sucks...?

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    Here's me pulling semi-sumo last night, in socks because I forgot my deadlifting shoes, lol. ( It was the last set of my speed workout, probably should have dropped the weigh down since at this point I was pretty tired and not very speedy. )

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